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  • roy mawbey
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    Justin now that was a full explanation indeed. A lot of thought to get it all in the position you are now in. Well done its very interesting to watch the procedure step by step. Also how useful some of your special shrinker tooling proved to be on this rocker work. You just cannot do this level of restoration without all these tools you have. You have a lot of confidence in yourself to attempt this work its not for the faint hearted at all!

    Roy

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  • JTR70
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    Rocker skin prep cont.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2116.jpg Views:	0 Size:	198.7 KB ID:	115318 Have some clean up work to go on this corner but will leave it loose until final installation time.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2117.jpg Views:	3 Size:	201.9 KB ID:	115319 While the skins are loose, now was the time drill the rocker deco holes. Much nicer to install these flat on my table rather than vertically on the car. Using the original skin and an original deco to locate and drill the holes.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2119.jpg Views:	3 Size:	236.2 KB ID:	115321 While I was at it the left side skin was done next. There is definitely an up and down side to the decos. If its flipped over the center holes will misalign slighty.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2121.jpg Views:	3 Size:	244.1 KB ID:	115322 Holes centered and aligned to the originals.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2120.jpg Views:	0 Size:	198.2 KB ID:	115323 Onto the next deal... Thanks for looking!
    Last edited by JTR70; 06-13-2024, 11:40 PM.

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  • JTR70
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    Right rocker skin work cont.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2110.jpg Views:	0 Size:	237.4 KB ID:	115312 Seems simple enough just to pound this feature out flat again but I've learned it can't be done cold. The corners on either side of this relief have to be heated to gather and shrink up the stretched metal here. I tried hitting this feature out cold on an earlier project and the excess transferred both a bow in the profile and wave in the surface of the rocker skin.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2111.jpg Views:	3 Size:	216.5 KB ID:	115313 Both unwanted drain features heated and pounded back out flat here and without distortion to the surface of the rocker.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2112.jpg Views:	3 Size:	193.2 KB ID:	115314 Threshold flange re-bent .
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2113.jpg Views:	3 Size:	176.8 KB ID:	115315 Remaining corner highlights where it was.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2114.jpg Views:	3 Size:	198.7 KB ID:	115316 Reinstalled for a test fit and this problem now solved. The leading edge of the flange also sits level with the threshold whare as before it sat too tall and needed to be trimmed back level.
    Last edited by JTR70; 06-13-2024, 11:16 PM.

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  • JTR70
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    Rocker rework:
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ID:	115299 My eventual answer would be to flatten and reposition the bend on the rocker skin side. I noticed there was a slight bit of excess at the upper edge of the flange run when fully seated against the threshold. I thought there might be enough there?? Beats the hell out of cutting and rewelding this long run...
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ID:	115300 Had to stop just in front the corner relief and will widen that separately.
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ID:	115301 I etched where the initial bend was and will rebend about 2mm behind this line.
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ID:	115302 The re-flattening stretched the metal and put a curve in the rockers profile. A couple bites with my shrinker jawsreversed that back out.
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ID:	115303 While I was on the subject of shrinking to preserve the rockers profile shape now was the time to take out this pair of drain reliefs. While they are a good evolutionary feature for drainage they are not correct for an A car. More rocker prep up next...

    Thanks for looking!

    Justin



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  • JTR70
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    Right rocker skin rework:
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2095.jpg Views:	0 Size:	191.2 KB ID:	115293 With the rocker in its best matched and level position with the bottom edge of the door I am left with this gap with the threshold in its original position.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2093.jpg Views:	0 Size:	201.3 KB ID:	115294 The deficit narrows slightly towards the back but I still well short the tight fit I need.
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ID:	115295 Forward drain pan also coming up well short of where I need this rocker skin to be.
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ID:	115296 Cut the back of the threshold free to allow it to move outward to help close up the shortfall. This wasn't really my answer as it creates misalignment with the striker post and the inner shoulder run would crowd the eventual base seal strip out from under the threshold ledge.
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ID:	115297 Didn't like the way that leading edge of the threshold flange was now peaking out from under the frames flange and it was still short up front.


    Last edited by JTR70; 06-13-2024, 01:02 AM.

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  • JTR70
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    Thanks Roy! Substructure is basically holding the shape of that skin. I'll be nipping and tucking the door frame as I always do to get it all to match. Justin

  • roy mawbey
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    Justin that door closure gap is going to look so good. I will be interested to see how you will remove that very minor 'bow ' in the door skin. Shrink ???

    Roy

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  • JTR70
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    Splash pan repair section complete:
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2085.jpg Views:	0 Size:	189.1 KB ID:	115228 Rocker mocked up one more time before I commit to fully stitching that new section on.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2086.jpg Views:	0 Size:	164.7 KB ID:	115229 I've got my 3MM gap and the best average match to the edge of the door. The door has a slight bow to its profile and that will need to be softened but these adjustments are now minor corrections.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2087.jpg Views:	0 Size:	184.3 KB ID:	115230 With the rocker in the sweet spot I simultaneously have the tight uniform fit against the back side of the rocker that I was shooting for. ready to stitch this up.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2090.jpg Views:	3 Size:	207.9 KB ID:	115231 Lower stitching as well as the corner welding and lateral flange repairs complete. Excess to the inside lap joint trimmed and shaped to the original sweeping profile.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2092.jpg Views:	3 Size:	183.5 KB ID:	115232 Another confirmation fit. All set and onto the next issue.

    Thanks for looking.

    Justin
    Last edited by JTR70; 05-28-2024, 09:02 PM.

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  • JTR70
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    Thank you Roy. I remember seeing your old photos of that repair and I know you can appreciate what's on here.

  • roy mawbey
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    A nice repair Justin. That was one area just the same sort of size I had to repair on the r/side of my car Justin about 47 years ago !!

    Roy

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  • JTR70
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    New splash pan repair section:
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2074.jpg Views:	0 Size:	198.6 KB ID:	115220 Onto metal. Basic shape with lateral and lower flanges installed.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2073.jpg Views:	0 Size:	173.6 KB ID:	115221 Final placement of the new repair section is dependent on a tight fit against the inside of the rocker panel and whare it is positioning the rocker in relation to the edge of the door.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2081.jpg Views:	0 Size:	173.4 KB ID:	115222 Bottom edge of the door has a bow that will need to be softened but this is my best average fit with a 3mm gap.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2082.jpg Views:	0 Size:	230.3 KB ID:	115223 Dialed in close enough to commit to a final cut line. Ready to begin joining these two together.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2084.jpg Views:	0 Size:	183.8 KB ID:	115224 Tacked and on for another test fit before I fully stitch these two together. Put a step in the lateral flange to accommodate the lap joint between the fender and the rocker so I could get this flange to butt up just a little closer.
    Last edited by JTR70; 05-24-2024, 08:45 PM.

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  • JTR70
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    Lower Splash pan repair:
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2068.jpg Views:	0 Size:	176.9 KB ID:	115214 Begin fitting the new rocker skin to the bottom of the newly adjusted door so I can dial in the final shape and flange position of the eventual lower patch repair section it will mount directly onto.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2067.jpg Views:	0 Size:	231.7 KB ID:	115215 To get the rocker skin level with the bottom edge of the door creates a big gap with the mounting flange with the remains of the old wall.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2070.jpg Views:	3 Size:	218.0 KB ID:	115216 I cut the old lower section free and moved it out a few MM's where it now needs to be.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2069.jpg Views:	3 Size:	189.2 KB ID:	115217 That adjustment gives me the best average fit all around. Once this section was determined to be short a final three piece repair section down here was looking less likely.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2071.jpg Views:	3 Size:	191.4 KB ID:	115218 Began developing my paper template for a clean and tight one piece repair panel.

    Thanks for looking.
    Justin
    Last edited by JTR70; 05-22-2024, 09:41 PM.

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  • JTR70
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    Left door set onto building the body around it.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2062.jpg Views:	0 Size:	146.9 KB ID:	115208 Basic 3MM gap with the top edge of the door level with the bottom of the quarter window opening...finally.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2060.jpg Views:	0 Size:	180.9 KB ID:	115209 Improved but still a touch proud up top with the belt line of the door (door handle area) even. Frustrating but I'll get it all lined up before its over.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2063.jpg Views:	0 Size:	153.2 KB ID:	115210 Bottom tucks a little too quick as well but again these will all be dealt with as the progress continues.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2064.jpg Views:	0 Size:	174.5 KB ID:	115211 Now that the door is in its final adjusted position I can begin repairing and remounting the splash pan.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2066.jpg Views:	0 Size:	202.1 KB ID:	115212 Door had to be in final position so I could reset both this mounting flanges height and distance to the leading edge of the door.

    Thanks for looking.

    Justin

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  • JTR70
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    Hi Roy, I could get the rear gap I was after if I lowered the back of the door but I'd lose the line along the top edge and then Vise vera. It just wouldn't give me both without getting into the hinge mounts again. All par for the course my friend as usual. Thanks again!
    Last edited by JTR70; 05-20-2024, 08:52 PM.

  • roy mawbey
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    Justin well I think I would have had a 'nightmare' with this last exercise of yours. So to get that sorted as I can see in the last photos you took, you must be a happy guy for sure! By yourself this car has presented so many hard to resolve problems but the standard of repair, has looked so good with everything you have been working on. You deserve a medal and I hope the owner agrees this has been a real eye opener of a 356 body restoration.

    Roy

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