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  • roy mawbey
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    Justin this hood fitment has been so interesting where you have to get the perfect 'gap' to body correct. What a good idea to check the rubber seal at this stage and again the Cellete helps to confirm your methods along with the wooden sticks as you have no special fixtures. So much to consider to get this gap correct. I make a point now which I expect you are fully aware of but its never been wrtitten down in any book I have on gap clearance settings. So don't laugh if I mention it below:-

    I have removed my bonnet lid a number of times over these 55 years of me opening it. But a while ago I noticed on the left side the gap had increased to the right hand side. The increase in gap on the left side occured on the last 3/4 of the lid towards the front nose. I have never hit anything and it puzzled me a lot. I thought maybe the L/side fender had sort of moved or dropped in some way. It was annoying ! So I decided to go through the bonnet lid instalation again by the factory manual. I released the two nuts on the hinge arms each side and checked the also the 4 year old bonnet rubber seal . All hinges worked well no apparent problems at all. I then went through the procedure of resetting as per the book and I had the same clearance issue!

    So... I then tried a thought I had to correct it. I left the two L/H hinge bolts tight but lightlyloosened the two right side hinge bolts. Then I lightly pushed the bonnet over to the left side and still holding this position I tightened the two R/side hinge nuts. When lowering the lid it had corrected everything back to even gap clearance left and right !!

    This did surprise me that it corrected this extra 2mm or so error in the bad area only. This was done maybe a year ago no problems with the hinges it just solved my problem of getting an even gap all around.

    Roy



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  • JTR70
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    Nose fitment continued:
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1380.jpg Views:	0 Size:	190.2 KB ID:	114767 Hardest part of locating this nose to the chassis is that I don't have dedicated holding jigs. I figured out a way around that this time around. Measuring the distance from the battery box to the noses' edge on my original undamaged reference car I was able to make these standoffs out of paint sticks. The right thickness now holds the nose at just the right distance away from the box while also supporting its weight with a quick clamping. This solved a lot of placement challenges all at once. Now onto both centering and leveling the skin to the chassis.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1383.jpg Views:	0 Size:	226.6 KB ID:	114768 After several rounds of measuring, clamping and remeasuring again I finally had the nose centered and leveled to the chassis. Grill openings are equal distance from the battery box walls. For additional confirmation the horn grill openings reveal a near identical amount of the cellett fixture.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1384.jpg Views:	0 Size:	231.3 KB ID:	114769 Comfortable enough to begin tack welding it to the trough's leading edge from the center outward.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1385.jpg Views:	0 Size:	193.2 KB ID:	114770 I am still dealing with the profile misalignment at the center of the hood with the center profile of the nose but I determined that I couldn't worry about it right now. I need to fully set and mount the rest of the nose first then I can come back and clean these profile discrepancies.
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ID:	114771 Continued working my way up the sides fishing the skin's edge up level with the hood as it went. Again note the noses' bottom leading edge with the cellette's holding fixture. This is about as square and even as I could have hoped for.

    Thanks for looking!

    Justin



    Last edited by JTR70; 02-07-2024, 11:19 PM.

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  • JTR70
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    Back to refitting the nose.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1376 - Copy.jpg Views:	0 Size:	223.2 KB ID:	114760 Not there yet but I wanted to begin introducing the hood seal to plan for any future fitment issues.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1377.jpg Views:	0 Size:	192.0 KB ID:	114761 And of course it stopped the hood well short of latch engagement. The left side run sits a bit high, so this and the thickness of sheet metal screw heads were the obvious culprits with this initial clearance issue. Again not quite there yet but this is critical aspect that need consideration as it goes.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1379.jpg Views:	0 Size:	194.5 KB ID:	114762 Right side 3mm+ gap and shape with the edge of the hood re-established.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1378.jpg Views:	0 Size:	196.2 KB ID:	114763 With the right side set the left side ran too tight against the hood. I had to reopen one relief cut and add in another to gain the distance and shape with this side of the hood. All set here.
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    Now back to fitting the new nose to the car.
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  • JTR70
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    Thank you very much Roy! Yes, there are a lot of curve balls that gets thrown your way through this process. The trick is to started things in the middle or as neutral as possible to give yourself an out in anticipation of these slight variances as it goes. Justin

  • roy mawbey
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    Justin I think after all this work I am not surprised it moved a little. Its a first class job you are doing here Justin! so pleased for you actually, as its decisions and even more decisions , as you go down this restoration road!

    Roy

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  • JTR70
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    Back onto mounting the new nose panel.
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ID:	114753 Now that the platform that the nose is actually going to mount directly onto has been set its back to locating and mounting the trough.
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ID:	114754 Once again after all the welding is over things have a tendency to change ever so slightly.
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ID:	114755 So not starting exactly from scratch but slight adjustments and changes will have to be made to account for the slight shift in shape of the closing walls after all the welding.
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ID:	114756 Reestablishing my basic gap around the fully latched hood.

    Thanks for looking!

    Justin


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  • JTR70
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    Hi Roy, Sorry if all of that tedious detail made your head hurt and yes it does make the room spin here at times. Its all in the name of giving a quick glimpse of what can go into reconstructing these cars. You are most certainly among the fortunate few with a preserved example that has not been left to rust out severely or been hit hard at some point. Thank you once again for all of the nice words of encouragement and for your sincere appreciation of the work and effort you are looking at here. Justin
    Last edited by JTR70; 02-05-2024, 07:51 AM.

  • roy mawbey
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    Do you know Justin that last round of work cutting, alighning , drilling and welding and getting it all to fit looking so good ,has made me feel really tired just reading and understanding it all!!! You really have done so well doing that, The worry of being sure once welded in place , that its all in the correct position for the next parts must drain you abit! So good to see so many of those repro parts lining up so well. I have said it so many times before, but I count my blessings every time now that I raise my front bonnet lid and know, I don't have to do that work myself.

    Well done Justin !

    Roy

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  • JTR70
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    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1363.jpg Views:	0 Size:	189.1 KB ID:	114745 Fitment along that relief arch was a concern from the beginning but ended up form fitting well enough in the end.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1367.jpg Views:	0 Size:	180.6 KB ID:	114746 Tight lap joints and battery box details replicated as closely as I could get them.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1353.jpg Views:	0 Size:	211.2 KB ID:	114747 Then onto finishing up the rust repairs at the upper corner beginning the process of sealing this corner out from the wheel well.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1362.jpg Views:	0 Size:	181.9 KB ID:	114748 Plug welding on this panel install complete. Now onto smoothing out all those heads. As that goes I'll finish out that hole in the lower leading corner.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1369.jpg Views:	0 Size:	196.5 KB ID:	114749 Corner finished out then followed up with my torch complete the repair. Gas welds details also added along upper closing wall joint and at the battery box corners as found originally. Now back to smoothing out the remaining plug weld heads.

    Thanks for looking!

    Justin
    Last edited by JTR70; 02-01-2024, 11:13 PM.

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  • JTR70
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    Right upper closing wall installed:
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1348.jpg Views:	0 Size:	211.9 KB ID:	114739 Last minute trimming and additional needed plug weld holes added. Mounted back on the car for the final time.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1350.jpg Views:	0 Size:	218.4 KB ID:	114740 Begin plug-welding from the center outward. Lots of hammering and reclamping as each weld was added to ensure a tight fit.
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ID:	114743 As it went in extra care was taken to ensure the wall was drawn up as tight as it could along the corners and edges.
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  • JTR70
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    Tank strap install finishing up the last loose end.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1342.jpg Views:	0 Size:	223.1 KB ID:	114735 Clamp is plug welded on from underneath at the original rivets preserving the original look up top.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1345.jpg Views:	0 Size:	188.8 KB ID:	114736 Strap ready to plug weld on just checking for square first. Once its welded all of those weld heads will be smoothed.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1346.jpg Views:	3 Size:	230.8 KB ID:	114737 Strap install complete with all the welds finished smooth. Okay, now the right closing wall is finally ready to go on... Holy Smokes! But, I've learned the hard way to not get caught up focusing on just the "big stuff"; its the little things that will come back later to make installation life miserable if you neglect them. Wall installation next.

    Thanks for looking!

    Justin
    Last edited by JTR70; 01-28-2024, 09:58 PM.

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  • JTR70
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    More loose ends before right wall installation.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1337.jpg Views:	0 Size:	219.1 KB ID:	114729 Breach now patch repaired.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1338.jpg Views:	0 Size:	223.7 KB ID:	114730 Okay, was I know ready to begin mounting this closing wall in for the final time... Not quite.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1339.jpg Views:	0 Size:	189.8 KB ID:	114731 The right side tank strap had rusted to the point where it needed repair. As you can see it had corroded just above its attachment point with a fatigue crease running right through the center of it. It was too compromised to leave alone. Once again, with the wall out of my way now was the time to finish the repairs on this.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1340.jpg Views:	0 Size:	226.4 KB ID:	114732 Keeping with my desire to recycle old original metal when possible this strip of longitudinal from this car will make a perfect replacement strap.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1341.jpg Views:	0 Size:	228.3 KB ID:	114733 Cut down to final shape and ready to accept the original clamp half.

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  • JTR70
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    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1331.jpg Views:	0 Size:	212.4 KB ID:	114723 All set with lower welding completed. Secondary catch will go in after the trough installation.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_0356.jpg Views:	0 Size:	184.7 KB ID:	114724 A long way from where it began but glad another original component was able to be reused.
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ID:	114725 Another loose end I wanted to tie up before the right wall went in was to finish grinding smooth that long weld joint across the trunk floor. Much easier to finish it out now rather than reaching down into the trunk with the wall in my way.
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ID:	114726 Next in the wall prep was cleaning the mounting flange of all the residual rust.
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ID:	114727 And of course as I was wire wheeling the flange run I broke through and discovered another rusted out spot on the inner closing wall. Always something...


    Last edited by JTR70; 01-28-2024, 07:14 PM.

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  • JTR70
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    Repositioning the latch base and final installation.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1323.jpg Views:	0 Size:	203.8 KB ID:	114717Unscrewed from where its been and moved over 4mm's. With hood lowered down and the plunger shield removed I was able to confirm absolute center. Doing this ahead of the right wall installation allowed me to stick my head in here to make the confirmation . This relationship will no doubt change a little as welding and reassembly goes but I have preserved all the adjustment that I can at the base bolts. Pretty much zero adjustment on the hood side BTW.
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    Like the jack perches now was the best time to get this base welded in for good.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1325.jpg Views:	0 Size:	214.4 KB ID:	114719 Moved over the needed 4MM and ready to weld.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1327.jpg Views:	0 Size:	256.5 KB ID:	114720 Four small spots of weld at the bottom of the base as done originally. Now onto adding the upper lateral tie in strips. This are the originals and much to my surprise they meet the new wall and nearly line up with the original spot welds at the base.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1329.jpg Views:	0 Size:	239.6 KB ID:	114721 Straps are splayed outward as they mounted originally and again line up almost exactly like they came. Not supposed to happen especially with a repro wall but I'll take it!

    Thanks for looking!

    Justin
    Last edited by JTR70; 01-28-2024, 07:21 AM.

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  • JTR70
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    Front wall and hood latch base final installation. Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1333.jpg Views:	0 Size:	192.5 KB ID:	114711 New replacement seal flange installed. Onto the front closing wall.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1309.jpg Views:	0 Size:	233.8 KB ID:	114712 Getting closer to mounting that right side closing wall. Since the lateral walls overlap the front wall now was time to go ahead and install it. Numerous plug weld holes and now ready to begin welding it up.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1310.jpg Views:	0 Size:	216.9 KB ID:	114713 Plug welding complete. Some finish grinding to come but the forward closing panel is now in for good.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1322.jpg Views:	0 Size:	218.3 KB ID:	114714 Again before the right wall goes in I have clearer access to the mechanism base so now too was the time to get it mounted in here for good.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1321.jpg Views:	0 Size:	225.6 KB ID:	114715 While double checking for alignment I was able to reach in where the right wall will eventually be and trace the position of the upper catch in relation to the base with the hood fully latched. I discovered its been favoring to the left by a few MM's. I have adjustment at the latch base but its been preset dead center for any future adjustment needs. I want it to begin bolted at center to keep my options as open as possible. Once you begin welding and tying things together it always changes slightly and I want to be able to account for that.
    Last edited by JTR70; 01-28-2024, 06:46 AM.

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