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1959 356A S/R coupe project chassis # 108625

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  • This is a full on 356BT5 tail skin factory installed on this late 356AT2.

    Took a hard detailed look as to why this factory T2 rear bumper was so oversized in its fitment against this particular tail. Again, the example 356AT1 does swing wider at its corners but not to this degree.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2918.jpg Views:	3 Size:	178.9 KB ID:	116694 The embossment for the coming T5 reverse light is the obvious "transitional" detail but there is more to it as this rear bumper issue began to highlight.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2928.jpg Views:	3 Size:	158.6 KB ID:	116695 Again, after taking a really hard look at it I finally noticed the detent markings for the eventual T5 reflector bases above the tail light; both sides.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3196.jpg Views:	3 Size:	162.4 KB ID:	116696 Then there are these later drain holes in the corners. Definitely an evolutionary thing.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3031.jpg Views:	3 Size:	225.2 KB ID:	116698 Confirmation against this loose T1 tail section with the typical teardrop update from way back in the day. The tail is relaxed of course but it still fills up and sits well into the profile shape of this bumper. So the problem isn't with this rear bumper.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3000.jpg Views:	3 Size:	170.1 KB ID:	116697 By contrast this tails' profile tapers and narrows much quicker; its different. You could easily assume this was just an A rear tail with a simple embossment add on change to the middle but coming to find out that the entire tail section is subtly different. The bumper is 356A and this entire tail is 356B. It was beginning to make sense as to why the fit was so off. More on this next...

    Thanks for looking.

    Justin
    Last edited by JTR70; 06-30-2025, 09:21 PM.
    Justin Rio

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    • Direct overlay for comparison:
      Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3032.jpg Views:	0 Size:	236.5 KB ID:	116700 356A tail skin clamped directly to this T5 tail for further confirmation regarding this shape discrepancy. Clamped tightly at the edges in closest position.
      Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3036.jpg Views:	3 Size:	228.2 KB ID:	116701 At the center the panels nearly touch so no real changes there.
      Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3034.jpg Views:	3 Size:	217.3 KB ID:	116702 Out at the corners is where the differences begin. There is a good inch of space between these two panels out at the tail lights.
      Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3035.jpg Views:	3 Size:	218.4 KB ID:	116703 And a good half inch of space between the aprons. There is some light damage to this tail so this is just an average. A good upward view into the right tail light opening showing the same distance discrepancy that was found on the left side.
      Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3037.jpg Views:	3 Size:	188.2 KB ID:	116704 Though a bit wrinkly the general discrepancy between these two corresponds with the bumper spacing and reveal issues we are having. Though very subtle these tail skin profile shapes were changed from 356A to BT5. The 356A tail is slightly more bulbous and blunt around the corners whare by contrast a 356B tapers quicker and is slightly narrower; about two inches narrower overall than a 356A version. Always learning something new about these cars...

      Thanks for looking.

      Justin
      Last edited by JTR70; 07-01-2025, 10:10 PM.
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      • Well Justin having driven in the past a 356C for years I also never really noticed the difference in the tail panel to my 356A. You did not need that Justin. I think if I were caught like this it would have to be a 356B bumper as they must be different also to the 356A??? I suppose you could modify the the existing bumper to fit and probably no one would ever have known or would know except for those who carry a rule in their pocket all the time! You are very honest Justin Whatever you do I am sure it will look just fine.

        Roy

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        • JTR70
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          Hey Roy, The difference is so subtle that nobody could really pick up on it. Not even with an A and a T5 car sitting side by side. I only found it through this unexpected issue of an oversized poorly fitting rear bumper. I wish I had a B/C bumper on hand to hold up to these two tails for further confirmation but this is all I have. As you know the B/C bumper ends mount through the body but that change is on the fender side of the joint so this T5 tail could easily slip by on an A car unless you have a problem with how it fits around the corners. We did modify the bumper and then some. That coming up next. Thanks again! Justin

      • Chopping and recontouring the rear bumper to suit:
        Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3001.jpg Views:	0 Size:	177.0 KB ID:	116708 We had this rough T2 bumper on hand so I decided to use it as the test bed for the best places to cut and for the needed contour changes. It was punched hard in the left upright causing that buckle but looking past this damage you can see its overall width shows the same fitment issues we are having with the gray bumper.
        Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3008.jpg Views:	3 Size:	172.5 KB ID:	116709 The T2 exhaust arches are a limitation as their locations cannot be changed so the best place to start cutting was though the center of those existing arches. During the direct tail skin comparisons earlier I was able to confirm that there was really no notable differences in these panels between the tail lights except for that reverse light embossment of course. The reveal and its shape through the middle matches well here so all the needed changes of narrowing and contouring will be out at the corners.
        Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3002.jpg Views:	3 Size:	171.0 KB ID:	116710 For this initial mock up the corners were lapped over the center by one inch.
        Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3003.jpg Views:	3 Size:	175.8 KB ID:	116711 And moved over one inch on this side. While not perfect the improvement against the width and shape of this skin was immediate.
        Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3023.jpg Views:	3 Size:	174.1 KB ID:	116712 Bumper is clamped directly to the body to better dial in a matched contour fit. Two inches of overall width out of this bumper is turning the trick. Doesn't sound like a lot but in reality its changing things quite a bit, especially how it effected the chrome trim which I'll show a bit later.

        Thanks for looking.

        Justin
        Last edited by JTR70; Yesterday, 09:13 PM.
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