Porsche 356 Registry Litigation: Update?

[Steve Heinrichs]

Dear Dennis on the R Forum---

The Registry has done everything it can to delay getting to the substance of the matters. Please read the filings.

And----you really think they want binding arbitration?
Why did they not pick up on the idea ofTom Coughlin?

As to the lawyers doing this---mandatory settlement stuff will come much later. In terms of attempting to settle, there have been several attempts by me. See much earlier posts here.

Seems to me that mediation by those familiar with the Registry would be useful as they are much more likely to understand the issues.

All, no where does my suggestion say it all has to be worked out by Sunday. All "they" need to do is to publically accept the idea and we can work with lawyers to get it set.

Steve Heinrichs

[356JAGER]

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[S.J.Szabo]

Not surprisingly, it has not occurred to any of those so suddenly shy about email conversation with other Members that if every Member could communicate with every other Member openly and on any subject of Member concern on the Registry site, an alternate venue of Truth (like a contact list) would not be necessary.

Let us not forget that the whole (and single) point of the exercise is that discerning Members have learned that the Ruling Circle cannot be trusted with the truth.

And therein lies the necessity and the tragedy of the lawsuit.

[Steve Heinrichs]

To Adam, posting on the Registry Forum:

You are absolutely correct and all the Trustees and many others know this. Even the earlier---very long ago--quote from me posted there refers to independent party.

For a very, very long time it has been well known that I would be happy with a third party distribution to the membership or publication in the magazine. The problem is that any results as to the 1702 matters need broad distribution----not just to Forum users.

Still, no amount of misinformation seems enough for some.

Steve Heinrichs

[Steve Heinrichs]

Guys,

Before tonight's football game---just a word of thanks to several of you including some not-to-be-named R lurkers who are understandably avoiding having their names known.

Your support is gratefully appreciated. Our effort to resolve serious Registry issues is advancing and the Registry will be stronger when all is said and done.

Steve Heinrichs

[356JAGER]

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[jstenner]

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[jstenner]

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[bbspdstr]

I am backing off from posting comments because so many say things so much better than I can....even if I may have a similar idea.

However....reading Jack's post where this point was made: "I timed how long it took me to find complete tax records, home address, pictures, family members, email, for one of the loudest "don't contact me" people: 45 seconds." That comment made a light bulb go off in my conspiracy-theorist mind.

Could I suppose that 'old school' columnar ledgers and pencils for keeping track of a company's business could have more than 'old habits die hard' as a reason to be employed? It is only then my own assumption that checks from a pad or sheet in a binder are used for accounts payable, instead of using online banking? I'm sure for some, the Internet is a place to avoid if there is something to hide, just sayin'......once it's out there, it's easy to find and difficult, if not impossible to erase.

Would it be a fair assumption that an audit of the Registry could be a rather...uh, 'complex' affair? Could it be that after 38 years in business without a formal audit, that's why it's taking so long for the first one? I'll bet the trustees will be relieved when that's finally complete and presentable to the membership and all the fuss about possible lapses in fiduciary responsibility is proven........to be whatever it may be.

[MMW]

Bruce you are correct. Maybe what they showed to the members at the open meeting is all they have & are trying to piece it together. It is very possible that there is no intentional wrong doing by any of them as it pertains to the books but not keeping good records creates problems as far as accountants & the IRS are concerned. Steve has never accused any of them of inappropriately using funds. Several people including me have said it looks like they are hiding something by not coming forward & blaming it on "the book" & now the privacy thing.

[MMW]

I hope someday when it gets straightened out I will join. I am not keeping score of who says what because 10 years from now it will be all about the cars & owners again having fun. I say this because we are considered "the bad guys" by some. There is no good guy/bad guy in this.

Vic Skirmants wrote on the Registry site -- " Yes, Emil.
I have you on my list of "good guys".
Thank you."

[bbspdstr]

"blaming it on "the book" & now the privacy thing."
Mic, yes, the 'blame' is often deflection and some disingenuous statements have been peppered into factual comments so those who do not see all that's involved are prone to 'defend' one side or the other. Innocent mistakes? I think not.
Please note that I have never read anywhere that those running the organization and who could very well have made 'honest' mistakes have ever admitted to anything like that.
It is certainly not only Mr. Heinrichs' 'fault' that there is trouble in 356 paradise, at least based on what I have read (which is everything I can) and based on personal experience.

Appearances matter. Politeness has been missing, like "thank you" "may I please" or even "oops, we may have overlooked something." We sure haven't heard "What would you like to know?" or "And how may I help you with that?"

There should not be a need for laws to guarantee open access for members of a NFP to know anything they want and especially those who block that assumed automatic access should know they are ignoring a law. (Please note that I avoided using the word "breaking.") Beyond all that, it's hardly polite or gentlemanly to create something to blame on someone else just as a cover.
"The truth will out."

[Bill Sampson]

Vic Skirmants wrote on the Registry site -- " Yes, Emil.
I have you on my list of "good guys".
Thank you."

Mic:

You can imagine my pride when I was informed close to three years ago by what I'd prefer to call a knowledgeable source that Vic had labeled me the "#2 ass. . . ." on the forum. My pride was tempered by an overwhelming urge to become Numero Uno. My "source" eventually provided me a "trophy" now displayed proudly in my garage with that inscription. I'm going to guess that I've since been demoted back to #2 or even lower - well, I've actually been kicked off the club, but, I did have my 15 minutes of fame. I'm only serious.

More seriously though. Among the "bad guys" according to Vic are Brian O'Kelly, Barry Brisco, Bill Block, Greg Young (from 20+ years ago) and many others who donated time and in some instances to making the Registry a good club. If those people don't belong, something is very wrong. Many of us including me hope to make it right. That does not include good guy/bad guy list.


Bill


PS: Jack has me beat on finding info - tax records even!!! However, it took me less than a minute to find the home address and phone number as well as photos of one of his "other" cars of one of the "privacy" complainers. David Gensler made an intelligent post, as usual, over there, on privacy versus the statute at issue in the state court litigation.

[jstenner]

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[surfer71]

Oh dear

There are some names on there that I see/ or has seen as good guys. Barry for one, isn't he the one who basicly rebuilt the website and helped get it off the group from the lame duck that was 356 talk?

I am sure it was Barry I was talking with in the very early days of the relauch and I was one of the testers of the new site before it was opened up to all on the reg and public..

I have not read all the post and only have a ball park idea of what's gone on here.. But it's not good. I'm done with clubs to be honest. may be in time I will rejoin the odd one or two.. I am happy to be part of a club but certainly not to start helping and then getting shouted at! or told your page is looking messy!! I will never forget that one!

I think the 356 reg has changed alot to make it a very closed club ( I know it's not eg you can join and pay and be part of it ) but in all honesty it's a closed club to a certain number of people and some of those people think their way more important than they really are.

A club should always be about helping others along, putting up info that is usefull to others, keep it fresh and try and motivate others and don't take sides. It's what I tried to do, and failed at.. to be honest I wasted alot of time. I should have just got on with my own car!