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1959 356A S/R coupe project chassis # 108625

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  • Justin its not easy this repair but it looks like it will be successful those gaps dictate everything really.

    Roy

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    • JTR70
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      Its a tricky spot Roy. The gaps for sure but just as important is the body contours remain consistent across those gaps.

  • Justin, it’s not too late to consider a career as a Plastic Surgeon. I admire your patience and through forethought. I tend to get in a hurry sometimes and it can bite you. Thanks for posting.
    Mark Erbesfield
    57 356A
    65 911
    68 912
    73 911S
    66 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ45LV
    79 450SL Dad's old car

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    • JTR70
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      Thanks Mark, a lot of nip and tucking for sure. I still get impatient at times and it usually comes back to bite me as well.

  • Looks ready for 3Mâ„¢ Self-Leveling Seam Sealer, 08307. You need a special gun, but it works well on these floor seams.

    ​
    Pushed around since 1966.

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      I'll take a look at it John and thanks for the tip.

  • New repair section stitched in.
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ID:	115156 Fender clamped to my table so i could really throw the heat at it through the flats.
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ID:	115157 Trickier to stitch as the fender curves and the edge makes the turn.
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ID:	115158 Had to prop it up and weld in small runs through roll on the body contour.
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ID:	115159 Stitched and dressed smooth.
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ID:	115160 Did a little heat shrinking through this swollen area after all the welding was over. A lot of hammer work yet to do once its mounted on for good but its someplace to start.
    Justin Rio

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    • Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1887.jpg Views:	0 Size:	163.9 KB ID:	115162 Fender back on for the first time after welding to check the contour and gap. Again lots adjustment to made as it goes on for good but it is a promising start.
      Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1894.jpg Views:	0 Size:	196.4 KB ID:	115163 Lots of fine tuning yet to go up and around that leading edge corner.
      Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1893.jpg Views:	0 Size:	181.5 KB ID:	115164 New rocker skin added to study the overall picture.
      Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1895.jpg Views:	0 Size:	176.5 KB ID:	115165 Right about here is where I have chased this side about as far as I can without welding anything on permanently.
      Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1889.jpg Views:	0 Size:	209.4 KB ID:	115166 I still need the ability to remove this nose as the right side fender repair and fitment goes. Time to catch the passenger side up. Begin repairing and adding in the right side fender next.

      Thanks for looking!
      Justin
      Last edited by JTR70; 04-29-2024, 04:42 AM.
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      • Justin that is much more than promising that is some great work there. You really do have the hang of it my friend !

        Roy

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        • JTR70
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          I appreciate that Roy its just process of tightening up the lines little by little. Thanks again! Justin

      • Begin catching up the right side.
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ID:	115170 Begin locating the original splash pan back into its original position.
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ID:	115171 Another small repair patch will have to be added as the metal was very thin through here when it was removed.
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ID:	115172 Before it goes back on a few rust issues along the mounting flange for the fenders' skin needed filling.
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ID:	115173 Before I commit to remounting the splash pan I have to get the right door fitment and contour issues I was having earlier ironed out first.
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ID:	115174 The fitment of this door really went sideways through all of my repairs to both itself and the car. Not terrible but issues I cannot leave alone. Once I got the top of the door fitted to the body contours I lost my 3mm gap at the bottom. No problem since the rocker will be reskinned so I'll have another crack at it. Removing the old rocker skin next.

        Thanks for looking.

        Justin
        Last edited by JTR70; 05-03-2024, 09:56 PM.
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        • Old rocker skin removal:
          Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1927.jpg Views:	0 Size:	201.2 KB ID:	115176 Usual process of drilling and breaking the old spot welds. During the forward removal I spotted some old accident damage I had overlooked previously. The drain tray up here is still a bit smashed and bowed in narrower than it should be. It will be easy to relax back out once the skin is removed
          Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1928.jpg Views:	0 Size:	233.7 KB ID:	115177 Just a few more stubborn welds remain.
          Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1929.jpg Views:	0 Size:	200.1 KB ID:	115178 New skin on for a quick initial mock up. Looking better already.
          Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1970.jpg Views:	0 Size:	206.3 KB ID:	115179 Before I can begin installing anything, this door has to be set in its final adjusted latched and hinged position so I can build around that. Its been giving me some contour issues with the rear quarter panel from the beginning. Will be posting that up next.

          Thanks for looking!

          Justin
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          • Right door fitment issues from the start:
            Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_7157.jpg Views:	0 Size:	94.3 KB ID:	115181 Just like the left door this right side insisted on mounting a touch too far forward. Once the top of the door was set even with quarter window opening this 5mm+ rear door gap was what I was left with. I could get it to close up but meant lowering the back edge of the door out of alignment with quarter window opening.
            Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_7158.jpg Views:	0 Size:	106.9 KB ID:	115182 I thought about building the edge of the striker to close up this door gap but after mocking up the window frame that wasn't an option. The frame is not moving and gap with the B-pillar is almost 10mm. Completely unacceptable fit.
            Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_7160.jpg Views:	0 Size:	99.9 KB ID:	115183 Before I removed the front fender it was confirmed that this door just needs to come back a few MM's. I attribute this non existent gap as old front end collision damage but it does not account for the huge rear gap.
            Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_7211.jpg Views:	0 Size:	117.4 KB ID:	115184 While all that was going on I also had profile issues with the edge of the door. Top stands out too proud while its even at the mid-line/ door handle area.
            Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_7213.jpg Views:	0 Size:	98.3 KB ID:	115185 Then tapers too quickly as it makes its way down. My plan was to correct as much of this as I could through the hinge assemblies.

            Last edited by JTR70; 05-16-2024, 09:49 PM.
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            • Hinge work:
              Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_7122.jpg Views:	0 Size:	110.9 KB ID:	115190 Elongated the holes to get the door to move back further.
              Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_7121.jpg Views:	0 Size:	139.2 KB ID:	115191 Next was shaving the rearward shoulders off of the plates to take full advantage of the elongated holes before these bottomed out against the inside of housings.

              Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_7209.jpg Views:	0 Size:	92.5 KB ID:	115187 next issue I noticed was that the top mount had bowed shape in the mounting flange.
              Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_7208.jpg Views:	0 Size:	110.5 KB ID:	115188 Tried drawing it back out but the bow would come right back once the pressure was released.
              Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_7210.jpg Views:	0 Size:	106.4 KB ID:	115189 That bowed shape finally gave up once the old gas weld was cut through. It was a promising start but left this and went back to chassis repairs. Now I was back on finishing this door fitment issue up. That up next.

              Thanks for looking!

              Justin
              Last edited by JTR70; 05-16-2024, 10:10 PM.
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              • Finishing up the hinge mounts:
                Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1980.jpg Views:	0 Size:	171.5 KB ID:	115193 Fastforward to now and finally tying up this loose end. Its all changed so I was also playing around with various shim thicknesses as I went.
                Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1978.jpg Views:	0 Size:	173.5 KB ID:	115194 After a bit of trial, error and slight adjustments through both the upper and lower hinges I finally had my best adjusted position.
                Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1982.jpg Views:	0 Size:	221.7 KB ID:	115195 As it went I had some height transfer issues with the edge of the cowl to the door. I melted the solder back to expose what was really under the lead. Left very raw in through here with a lot of solder used to smooth it all out.
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                • Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1987.jpg Views:	0 Size:	161.6 KB ID:	115199 The rest of the door frames' gap in the roof opening runs about the same width. Centered in there as best as I could hope for.
                  Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2055.jpg Views:	3 Size:	216.4 KB ID:	115201 With that confirmation Both the upper and lower hinge mounts were all welded up. Upper hinge half cleaned and bolted on for the last time.
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                  Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2057.jpg Views:	3 Size:	206.5 KB ID:	115202 I added the lower extension tie in to the mount first so I could bolt the hinge half on for good. I'll weld it to the threshold once I have the final height of the rocker assembly dialed in.
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ID:	115204 Lower hinge half cleaned, shimmed and bolted in for the final time. Pulling the pins for door removal makes life so much simpler. To disturb these bolts again at a later date would be a huge PIA. It takes the use of a floor jack to raise the door up where it needs to be while you tighten the bolts. A big pain, especially if you're on your own. Anyway, right door all set into final position.

                  Thanks for looking!

                  Justin
                  Last edited by JTR70; 05-17-2024, 07:47 PM.
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                  • Justin well I think I would have had a 'nightmare' with this last exercise of yours. So to get that sorted as I can see in the last photos you took, you must be a happy guy for sure! By yourself this car has presented so many hard to resolve problems but the standard of repair, has looked so good with everything you have been working on. You deserve a medal and I hope the owner agrees this has been a real eye opener of a 356 body restoration.

                    Roy

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                    • JTR70
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                      Hi Roy, I could get the rear gap I was after if I lowered the back of the door but I'd lose the line along the top edge and then Vise vera. It just wouldn't give me both without getting into the hinge mounts again. All par for the course my friend as usual. Thanks again!
                      Last edited by JTR70; 05-20-2024, 08:52 PM.

                  • Left door set onto building the body around it.
                    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2062.jpg Views:	0 Size:	146.9 KB ID:	115208 Basic 3MM gap with the top edge of the door level with the bottom of the quarter window opening...finally.
                    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2060.jpg Views:	0 Size:	180.9 KB ID:	115209 Improved but still a touch proud up top with the belt line of the door (door handle area) even. Frustrating but I'll get it all lined up before its over.
                    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2063.jpg Views:	0 Size:	153.2 KB ID:	115210 Bottom tucks a little too quick as well but again these will all be dealt with as the progress continues.
                    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2064.jpg Views:	0 Size:	174.5 KB ID:	115211 Now that the door is in its final adjusted position I can begin repairing and remounting the splash pan.
                    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2066.jpg Views:	0 Size:	202.1 KB ID:	115212 Door had to be in final position so I could reset both this mounting flanges height and distance to the leading edge of the door.

                    Thanks for looking.

                    Justin
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                    • Lower Splash pan repair:
                      Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2068.jpg Views:	0 Size:	176.9 KB ID:	115214 Begin fitting the new rocker skin to the bottom of the newly adjusted door so I can dial in the final shape and flange position of the eventual lower patch repair section it will mount directly onto.
                      Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2067.jpg Views:	0 Size:	231.7 KB ID:	115215 To get the rocker skin level with the bottom edge of the door creates a big gap with the mounting flange with the remains of the old wall.
                      Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2070.jpg Views:	3 Size:	218.0 KB ID:	115216 I cut the old lower section free and moved it out a few MM's where it now needs to be.
                      Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2069.jpg Views:	3 Size:	189.2 KB ID:	115217 That adjustment gives me the best average fit all around. Once this section was determined to be short a final three piece repair section down here was looking less likely.
                      Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2071.jpg Views:	3 Size:	191.4 KB ID:	115218 Began developing my paper template for a clean and tight one piece repair panel.

                      Thanks for looking.
                      Justin
                      Last edited by JTR70; 05-22-2024, 09:41 PM.
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