Porsche 356 Registry Litigation: Update?

[Carrera GT]

And more of the same old 'protecting the members' stuff.

Roy Lock
Post subject: Re: 356 Registry Lawsuit UpdatePostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:06 am
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Somewhere in the distant past, the Board promised to protect our personal information from commercial use. So, they are defending that promise to us.

What SH's lawyers and Bill (Rosemary) Sampson are doing is a slight of hand. You have to read SH's second lawsuit against board members to understand what he is after. He wants the mailing list to send out promotional material about his upcoming book. According to him, the current state of affairs is damaging his reputation to sell books.

BILL (Rosemary) Sampson, why did you try to steal the Registry's name for TWO years. This charade of hiding behind the name Rosemary is a bit rediculous and stupid. Why don't you answer that question? Without plausible answers, it leads me to believe there is a lack of ethics and credibility.

As a long time member of the Registry, I am getting tired of the drama you guys are creating for a hobby club.

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Roy,
Here's what you either don't get or wish to ignore. The trustees are regulated by the laws of the State of Oho, not by the ones they choose to fabricate for themselves. You're correct, this nonsense should have ended with Steve Heinrichs being given the information he is legally entitled to. The 'trustees' decided to defend for reasons yet to be revealed, but they must be quite interesting to solicit so much resistance which continues now even as they have lost their argument in court at least twice. Perhaps Porsche or the Clubs insurers will step in and help them make the wise and inevitable decision. BTW, the second suit was in response to the personal suit against Mr. Heinrichs, so apples and oranges to your argument about the reasons for the original suit. See, some of us can tell which shell the pea is under.

Roy Lock
Post subject: Re: 356 Registry Lawsuit UpdatePostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:06 am
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Location: North Orange County, California

>Somewhere in the distant past, the Board promised to protect our personal information from commercial use. So, they are defending that promise to us.

Dear Roy:

1. Please help save yourself...have the Trustees furnish You (and other Members) the documented "Meeting Minutes" that provide this "Somewhere in the distant past" ??? ..this is a fantasy-fairy dust Promise about protecting your personal information.

>What SH's lawyers and Bill (Rosemary) Sampson are doing is a slight of hand. You have to read SH's second lawsuit against board members to understand what he is after. He wants the mailing list to send out promotional material about his upcoming book. According to him, the current state of affairs is damaging his reputation to sell books.

2. Roy - There is NO slight of hand - Period. The initial requests made by SH to the Registry Trustees NEVER had anything to do with an upcoming Book. Erase that from your concerns and perhaps you will come to some kind of objective thinking and reasoning.

There has been way to long a pompous demeanor by the Registry Trustees to simply trust them - drink their "Kool-Aide" - No records to show and nothing is in writing...but hey, believe THEM - it's ALL good.

Huh - what...?

I commend Mr. David Gensler's clear and concise comments at the 356 Registry Talk site. Members there should read (more than once) his unbiased discussion to these important current and costly issues.

Michael Doyle

[356JAGER]

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Heads in the sand usually come up when the air runs out and the sand gets in your eyes, nose and ears. The argument seen in the previous postings is that Steve Heinrichs wants the member list to help him (and the Porsche Museum) sell books he has written (with co-authors and others affiliated with Porsche).

Let's say Jerry is correct in his theory and membership is restored to Mr. Heinrichs and/or he is given a member list from the Registry. Will he send a flyer about Porsche books even if he can be quoted as saying that is not his intention? Maybe, but I'll bet that would be down somewhat on a sales planning list. For the price of the membership ANYONE can advertise on the Registry site, both on the Forum's Vendor section, the free Vendor links or in classifieds...and Gordon mentioned a separate mailing could be offered by the club or product info included in the magazine. Sounds like good business to me all the way down the line.

Now, ANYONE who is NOT a member....those fearsome crooks who want to know where the most valuable cars are free for the stealing....can look at the Registry site and get tidbits like this very random example (I'll call it a Bata test):

For Sale-
Private Party:
Original Alum Trim Molding
See all ads from Bata Mataja
Original Aluminum Trim Molding
Price:$ 100.00
My Location: Sun Valley
Contact:
>>> Log in to view all contact details <<<


So, for free, anonymously, without logging in we know that some aluminum trim is at Bata's house in Sun Valley. We could get an alias, a bogus address with a burn phone number, become a member and get more, even call as a friendly member to ask directions and the best time to see the stuff for sale....and know when Bata was not going to be home. Hell, I've heard rumors that there is a band of Ninjas patiently waiting for a GS/GT Speedster to come up on the classifieds....they are thinking ..."bring a trailer."

Yep.....complete paranoia is best, so let's follow Llew Kinst and quit the club, become nomads and employ the barter system for food, no phones, no Internet.... to save ourselves and teenage (grand?)daughters from the likes of other Registry members who have access to other members via an evil plot called a "membership list."

Geez, guys.....Roy, doesn't the 'smoke... get... in.. your eyes,' (to paraphrase an old song)....."stealing the Registry's name for two years"...really? What's the name of the club where it's incorporated? What does the IRS see as a name and address....I keep sayin'..."Clean up on aisle 356!" but people keep walking over the slippery spills and broken glass, pretending it's not there. Oops, too late....there's already a lawsuit...

[Bill Sampson]

Chuck House (yes that one) once advised me when we were discussing a particularly difficult list subscriber that it is unwise to argue with an idiot because first he drags you down to his level and then beats you with experience. Those of you awaiting my response to the most recent defamation of me and of Rosemary will have to keep waiting. The remarks are unworthy of response.

I have advised some of you, my friends, to eschew wrestling with pigs because as I remarked, you get dirty and the pig enjoys it. I'm going to try to take my own advice for once. Rosemary always phrases it as: "Don't stoop to their level." I'm hardly perfect in that regard but I try.

Thanks for a plethora of intelligent analysis here and in some instances there of the issues facing the Registry.

[Carrera GT]

Dominic Chieffo
Post subject: Re: 356 Registry Lawsuit UpdatePostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:35 pm
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As counsel for the 356 Registry, Inc., my attention has been directed to posts on several forums concerning certain litigation in which I am representing the 356 Registry, the Trustees and Officers. I have instructed the Trustees and Officers that it is inappropriate to comment on the posts or the content thereof since the matter is in litigation, in spite of the virtual necessity to do so. Without addressing the specific statements in the postings, which is inappropriate in a public forum, many of the statements therein are not consistent with the matters that have transpired, not consistent with demands or proposals and not consistent with the contents in the legal documents.
I assure all Members that the Trustees and Officers are aggressively pursuing a resolution of all the pending litigation within the best interest of the 356 Registry and the Members. Although it is difficult to stand by and read such statements without speaking out and addressing each and every allegation, when matters are the subject of pending litigation, it is necessary to seek an approprite resolution within the legal system and not by publicizing unilateral allegations.
The Trustees are carefully following the Law of Ohio so as not to violate any trust placed in them by the Members. Lack of comment does not acknowledge or admit the truth or veracity of the statements or allegations.
Pursuant to the recently posted proposal to conclude the appeals, I requested that the attorney place the posted settlement proposal in writing for consideration by the Trustees. To date, this has not occured, however, the letter to Porsche Chief Executive was posted.

Dominic J. Chieffo
Attorney-at-Law

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Well, how nice to hear that someone such as the current 356 Registry attorney is trying to talk some common sense into the Trustees and Officers.

I would particularly like to point out to Registry members this quote from above:

"Without addressing the specific statements in the postings, which is inappropriate in a public forum, many of the statements therein are not consistent with the matters that have transpired, not consistent with demands or proposals and not consistent with the contents in the legal documents".

Mr. Cheiffo here has used the description - not consistent - three (3) times for a reason.

He is not partaking in the Trustee Kool-Aide talk, and he knows the Ohio Court Justices are not either. Why should anyone..?

Michael Doyle

[356JAGER]

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[Carrera GT]

Mr. Chieffo is also incorrect as the proposals have been posted in writing on this site and, if the trustmes aren't aware of them then
they aren't doing the 'hard work' they so proudly claim to be theirs, nor is their counsel.
If he's been following along then he also knows that the expiration dates for those proposals have come and gone with no response from his clients or himself. I'd wonder what he and his clients propose to resolve the impasse. We already know, from several previous offers,
what Mr. Heinrichs has placed on the table.

Joel,

Agreed. Mr. Heinrichs genuinely reached out informally to the 356 Registry Trustees here on this site and was also copied to the Registry Talk site as well. I believe Mr. Heinrichs offerred a Mediation Outline proposal looking for an indication from the Trustees whether to formalize it in writing, or not. And he gave them plenty of time to communicate their desire to do so.

Apparently, that fell on their ignorant deaf ears...but not their counsel's ear, Mr. Chieffo's - obviously. I'm presuming, of course - to an extent, but it would not be surprising that it was not on deaf ears of the Registry's insurance company either, as they very well may be ready to draw the line with the Trustees behavior themselves ie. Policy limits do not go further for additional legal costs for more Appeals.

Bad behavior just has a way of catching up. Let's just hope some common sense does get considered and put through.

Michael Doyle

[Bill Sampson]

I thought I'd help out our Registry friends with privacy concerns, which are clearly bogus with respect to the pending litigation, but, nevertheless of genuine concern in other realms with this assistance I received today:


A recent interaction between an older user and his wonderful computer.

Computer: Your password has expired. You must register a new one.

User: Did anyone discover my password and hack my computer?

Computer: Your password has expired. You must get a new one.

User: Why then do I need a new one as that one seems to be working pretty good?

Computer: They automatically expire every 30 days.

User: Can I use the old one and just re-register it?

Computer: You must get a new one.

User: I don't want a new one as that is one more thing for me to remember.

Computer: You must get a new one.

User: OK, roses

Computer: You must use more letters.

User: OK: pretty roses

Computer: You must use at least one numeric character.

User: OK: 1 pretty rose

Computer: You cannot use blank spaces.

User: OK: 1prettyrose

Computer: You must use additional characters.

User: OK: 1fuckingprettyrose

Computer: You must use at least one capital letter.

User: OK: 1FUCKINGprettyrose

Computer: You cannot use more than one capital letter in a row.

User: OK: 1Fuckingprettyrose

Computer: You need additional characters.

User: OK: 1FUCKINGprettyroseshovedupyourassifyoudon'tgivemea ccessrightfuckingnow

Computer: You cannot use that password as it is already being used.

[356JAGER]

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[Phil Planck]

Joel

You stated: "Cliff,
You weren't at the meeting ....."

I personally observed Cliff at the meeting, which I attended near the end, as I attended another meeting that was going on concurrently with the open meeting and it finished a little before the open meeting. Being near the end, I missed the discussion regarding the law suit/s

Phil Planck

[Bill Sampson]

Joel:

Since Cliff has never treated anyone unfairly nor has he ever misrepresented a fact I think you should know that it looks like you mis-read what he said about meeting attendance. Cliff was suggesting that if Dennis had attended the meeting Dennis could have had the opportunity to hear what Cliff claims Cliff heard. What Cliff claims he heard does tax credulity but that's another matter for another day. I have not personally experienced veracity from Cliff but that's a limited sample space. Phil did see Cliff at the meeting.


Bill

[356JAGER]

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[S.J.Szabo]

Without addressing the specific statements in the postings, which is inappropriate in a public forum,,,many of the statements therein are not consistent with the matters that have transpired, not consistent with demands or proposals and not consistent with the contents in the legal documents.everybodynow the Inner Circle asserts that it is not the magazine but the Membersnotcarefully following the Law of Ohioanythingtheir

[bbspdstr]

Over the years, I have had articles in the Registry magazine, Registry-produced books and those of Dr. Brett...but I want the rights to the threads on all three sites that have carried this saga, this odyssey! It's been a long journey so far and it's far from over. A lot of 'Wow!' moments between the boring parts.

This latest from a Mr. Szabo is creative writing at it's finest, no matter which 'side' you may be on. In review, I laughed out loud, I felt sad, I became angry, I waxed hopeful. Wow! 5 stars! Thank you! Bravo! That's entertainment!

To re-connect and compile it all, what's been deleted on the Registry site may be found on a hard-drive somewhere, maybe eventually by a government agency...who knows?

This psycho-drama will have a list of credits from somebodies and nobodies, but nobody can make this stuff up! (OK, maybe they can and did, it's still pretty amazing that it's about a Car Club.)

Tragi-comedy? A thin plot fleshed out with 'personalities.' People sitting on self-erected pedestals, fences, legal experts and real lawyers, common folk, like members of a troupe trying to be bonafide 'car guys'...even dues-paying members AND magazine subscribers just waking up! A cast of thousands, literally, and more than thousands of dollars spent in it's production!

Settings ranging from the wilds of the northern middle states, the southwest deserts, the granola-like great states of California and insanity, blue states, pale blue states, red states, ultra red, almost blood-red states, my backyard and the heart of Texas and Dixie...and much of that, overlapping. Bold! Colorful! A spectacle and perhaps, awww, a flop. (But per Mr. Szabo, "no refunds.")

Like most mysteries.....the end is not yet revealed, but can anyone imagine this pseudo-'reality' series is about a CAR CLUB?

There are heroes and heroins and other drugs, sex and rock-n-roll (and supposedly lots of alcohol) to go with the cars for which the main protagonists are involved. Still, sub-plots emerge....like who can be trusted, who are those in the shadows and what do THEY think about this novel/play/comedy/skit/farce/pole dance? What is their role? Spies, confidants, double agents (and you know who you are) and blithering idiots, clowns and incredible intelligence all mixed together. Wow!

Different acts....as in a play and also those of bravery and commitment and stories about/by some who should be committed (like me!). Lots of references to other literature about the cars, the law, the fantasies of the protagonists and their love for the marque.

Intrigue, passion, sadness, enthusiasm, irony, humor, stubbornness and arrogance...and did I mention humor?.....where else in a car club are these emotional extremes found, especially for such a prolonged run in THREE theaters so related but so far apart.

Usually, car clubs are about cars...but the Registry has become, well, so much more. I want the syndication rights when this is all over and the curtain comes down and the sun comes up!

-Bruce