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1959 356A S/R coupe project chassis # 108625

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  • Begin right fender repair:
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2210.jpg Views:	0 Size:	186.9 KB ID:	115440 Have to iron out some of that old accident damage towards the back of the fender before I can add on a new strip of 20 gauge. Only working out the obvious stuff at this point. Final planishing and shaping can't be done with the fender loose. It has to be mounted, welded up and set before I can go after the rest of it.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2211.jpg Views:	6 Size:	202.6 KB ID:	115441 Begin with this bent wired edge.
    Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2212.jpg Views:	6 Size:	222.0 KB ID:	115442 After some heat and hammering, not perfect but close enough for the moment.
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    Thanks for looking!
    Justin
    Last edited by JTR70; 06-23-2024, 06:17 PM.
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    • Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2217.jpg Views:	0 Size:	179.8 KB ID:	115462 Much trickier as it curves around. Have to keep watching the surface contour to make sure I don't tack it too tight or too loose. If its tight the patch will bow inward and if its too loose it will flare.
      Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2218.jpg Views:	0 Size:	169.9 KB ID:	115463 Upper portion tacked and on for a test to confirm that the patch surface carries on the general line of the fender.
      Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2220.jpg Views:	0 Size:	161.6 KB ID:	115464 So far so good but I missed that upper edge and came up short. Have to back fill it later.
      Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2219B.jpg Views:	0 Size:	196.2 KB ID:	115467My only concern at this point is this new strip matches and carries on the contour of the fender and is not tucking or flaring.
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ID:	115468 Puzzle pieces fitting a little better each time.

      Thanks for looking!
      Justin
      Last edited by JTR70; 06-29-2024, 01:01 AM.
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      • Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2227.jpg Views:	0 Size:	173.7 KB ID:	115474 I confirmed and now had a very basic fender fitment on this side.
        Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1893.jpg Views:	0 Size:	181.5 KB ID:	115475 I went back over to the left side to address an issue that I had been debating to correct or just leave alone.
        Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_1894.jpg Views:	0 Size:	196.4 KB ID:	115476 I had overlooked and allowed this fender to droop giving the fender opening a bit of a forward lean or sweep. At the same time the top profile of the fender was not transitioning into the door smoothly. More of a jog in the shape across the gap. I had locked in this position when I added the new rear flange.
        Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2196.jpg Views:	3 Size:	175.2 KB ID:	115477 While I'm in the process of making the right side I decided now was the time to go ahead and correct this mistake. My oversight so this was on me. New section tacked on but this time in more manageable 20 gauge. I'll add the flange back in once I have the fender set its corrected profile position.
        Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2197.jpg Views:	3 Size:	187.1 KB ID:	115478 I had to fabricate this last section separately as it has a definite domed and curved contour to it. Not interested in welding in flat sections just to have sold base that would require a lot of lead or filler to be right. Shooting for just a skim coat when its over.

        Thanks for looking.
        Last edited by JTR70; 07-01-2024, 08:55 PM.
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        • Justin very interesting this latest wortk of yours. I have a question maybe a daft one but I would like to know how after seeing that excellent closure gap between the R/h fender edge that meetsd with the door is finished. Iooked at my original door as I knew there is a formed adge to that area like for example a wired edge. Its not a wired edge but a boxed edge to give that fender closure for top to bottom some ' thickness' So the edge is about -3-4 mm thick.

          Possibly I have missed somthing you have already done or have to do when you are ready. Thats why it might be a daft question!!

          Roy

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          • JTR70
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            Correct Roy, the leading edge of the fender is heeled over the flange on the splash pan creating a pinch seam. Since the fender is loose I am finding it better to add that rolled edge in after the new extension of skin is welded on. Everything shifts and changes slightly with each test fit. Not a daft question old friend.

        • hClick image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2198.jpg Views:	0 Size:	192.5 KB ID:	115494 Following the tack welds up with a the final seam stitch.
          Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2199.jpg Views:	0 Size:	189.4 KB ID:	115495 Another test fit after all the welding and hammering to make sure it will still contour snuggly against the splash pan's mating flange.
          Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2200.jpg Views:	0 Size:	234.2 KB ID:	115496 Trickiest shape is the last bit of the upper section that is both curved and convex. Final adjustments against the original to make sure it was heading in the right direction.
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          Ready to tack on this final section just at the center for now.
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          It was tacked on the rest of the way while the fender was mounted on the car to make sure it held the correct shape and contour before I locked it in with a tack weld. Would have been suicide to try and position it loose on my table as it would never have gone on there right.
          Last edited by JTR70; 07-08-2024, 08:50 PM.
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          • Some of those but welds would be invisible with this laser welder. I am starting to figure it out, it operates similar to MIG with way less heat, to heat effected zone. You can also use magnets to hold the material, with out effecting the weld. Spot weld are nothing more than setting the spot size and weld time, the pull the trigger. Cuts like butter, but does use allot of gas. (Nitrogen) The more we play with it the more I like it. FDA not so much.
            Last edited by Jbrooks; 07-09-2024, 06:50 PM.
            Pushed around since 1966.

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            • JTR70
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              I know that machine is the future. I look forward to the day when I see that technology at Harbor Freight for under a grand.

          • Getting ready for front end group commitment time.
            Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2228.jpg Views:	0 Size:	204.2 KB ID:	115506 I've teed up both front fenders about as far as I dare go for now. Time to get the nose mounted and set into its final position so I can add adjust the fenders to flow off of it.
            Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2243.jpg Views:	0 Size:	200.5 KB ID:	115507 While prepping for the noses final installation I figured I'd better fit and mock up the front bumper assembly as part of the process. I punched the bumper bracket holes a while back but have not opened the holes for the overrider bar reinforcement struts. I have these original '59 high examples for reference but these are only going to be my general guide. The final hole position will be dictated by where the strut actually ends up with the bumper in its best adjusted position. I want the holes sitting at center with the struts as closely as I can get them.
            Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2236.jpg Views:	3 Size:	208.5 KB ID:	115508 Dug out the bumper assembly for this car next. The bumper assemblies for my T1 (Orange) where in front of them so I took this opportunity to take a few direct comparative shots of a High and low overrider assembly.
            Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2235.jpg Views:	3 Size:	233.7 KB ID:	115509 Guards are the same height . The '59 bar just used up the rest of the remaining space left for a mounting point.
            Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2239.jpg Views:	3 Size:	219.0 KB ID:	115510 Quick shot of the rears. No difference in bar height
            Last edited by JTR70; 07-10-2024, 07:33 AM.
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            • Initial front bumper mock up on the chassis:
              Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2241.jpg Views:	0 Size:	180.0 KB ID:	115512Prepping to mount the front bumper irons. This is an original so the mounts are a little bent with old weld repairs etc. Just seeing how it fits for now to determine if these need any rework. Threads needed Chasing though.
              Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2249.jpg Views:	0 Size:	229.1 KB ID:	115513 Mounted for the first time. I was only interested in seeing how well it mounted to the chassis at this point. Bumper sat surprisingly level with its new irons right out of the gate. I may not have to fuss with the inner attachment mounts too much if at all. We'll see.
              Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2253.jpg Views:	0 Size:	203.4 KB ID:	115514 I was supplied with two pair of struts. The silver pair are the originals and the grey the repop. A note highlighting how much shorter a low overrider strut would be.
              Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2252.jpg Views:	0 Size:	195.4 KB ID:	115515 Notable differences between OG and the repro where on the battery box end. No available adjustment on the new one.
              Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2251.jpg Views:	0 Size:	162.1 KB ID:	115516 Mounting side on the repro still had a shoulder where the original has a flat unobstructed profile for the battery box wall. I tried fitting the repops first and these two details wreaked havoc. No way they'd fit without modifications to match the originals.
              More on this fitment mock up next.
              Thanks for looking!

              Justin
              Last edited by JTR70; 07-10-2024, 08:01 AM.
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              • Mocking up the struts:
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                Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2254.jpg Views:	0 Size:	181.3 KB ID:	115520 Immediately moved over to the originals. Had the repros been all I had I would of course would have to make them work but fortunately I had an option.
                Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2267.jpg Views:	3 Size:	210.0 KB ID:	115521 A great relief to find them fitting and clearing with no issues.
                Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2268.jpg Views:	3 Size:	204.6 KB ID:	115522 Especially on this side as the only thing original left over here is the bumper iron mount.
                Last edited by JTR70; 07-11-2024, 01:04 AM.
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                • Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2272.jpg Views:	0 Size:	171.6 KB ID:	115524 One clearance confirmation I did want to make before the nose went on was that there would be ample room to allow for the ultimate pitch angle of the struts with the upper corners of the chassis. All good.
                  Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2271.jpg Views:	0 Size:	245.6 KB ID:	115525 Basic mock up with the frame complete. Now to see what it looks like with the nose.
                  Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2260.jpg Views:	0 Size:	228.9 KB ID:	115526 After some minor tweaks it was lining up pretty well. I added the emblem to further confirm the fitment and alignment. Its a touch low on the right side but its the first try and things will change slightly as the nose and fenders fitments continue and most certainly once the welding begins.
                  Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2261.jpg Views:	0 Size:	189.1 KB ID:	115527 I got out my previous issue of the registry with a '59 Cab with the high bar for further comparison. I don't know the restoration history of this car and the nose may even be all original but I noticed that emblem is slightly off center and favors to the left.
                  Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_2263.jpg Views:	3 Size:	214.6 KB ID:	115528 I initially drilled the holes wrong as I fell into the trap of centering the pin of the emblem instead of the center letter. When its over the point of the hood handle will line up centered with the S leaving a balanced three letters on either side.
                  Last edited by JTR70; 07-11-2024, 01:38 AM.
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                  • Justin that was interesting ! To have original items to campare against repro's is so useful. You could as you say if necessary perform work on the repro's to match the originals if you have them. But without them it would mean you would be scratching your head trying to understand why they don't fit. Sure if you don't have these original's I guess you have a basis to work with, but the people who make them should really just advise the differences so you can make your own discision if you want to alter them.

                    A lot to think about lining everything up toi look right.

                    Roy

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                    • JTR70
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                      If I only had the repops I would just alter them until they fit Roy. Same process as getting all that new sheet metal to fit. Justin

                  • Prepping the nose for final installation:
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ID:	115550 But on second thought I think its best to wait until the nose is welded and set into its final position to make sure I get these struts to exit at the holes center as closely as I can.
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ID:	115551 Began scuffing and cleaning this bulkhead in prep for some epoxy.
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