Radio Free Registry

[356JAGER]

Sebastian,
You say 'I don't have a problem with the operation of the Registry'.
The club is operating contrary to Ohio and Federal regulations that
govern a non profit club. You should have a problem with it, but at
least we know you didn't come here to offer solutions. Thanks for your
candor. You can now be ignored.
Best
Joel

[spg356]

One more on making an event. Last year I planned a 90 mile route. 45 miles each way to a lunch place/pub. I e-mailed it out to my e-mail group with a start time & meeting point. Four of us met up & went. It was fun. Cost me nothing but my gas & my food. Took about an hour maybe to map out a good route. Two 356, one Beck Spyder (replica) & a Ghia. Simple.

Right now I'm helping plan a cruise in the VW club. A little more involved. I planned out a 30 mile cruise to a lunch place. We start at a campground where some of us will camp Friday & Saturday. Cruise starts Saturday am from campground. Everyone not camping will meet there. We picked an off wknd for the campground so they are happy to have us. We contacted the lunch spot & they will be ready for us. Leisurely ride, stop at somewhere for a photo op & then to lunch. 15 mile cruise back to the campground after lunch for a night of company with other like minded air-cooled enthusiasts. This is the third year of the cruise. Last year fifty cars.

Mic,

Sounds like a Motor Cities Gruppe event! The laid back ones are my preference. I attended the gang of five's Third Coast Oktoberfest in 2012. Absolutely fabulous event. They had hoped other groups would pick up the theme of the third coast (great lakes) and run with it but so far no one. I can envision the Gruppe perhaps doing it one year, but we are still exhausted from the 2007 Holiday.

[spg356]

Hi Joel, you are correct, I did not come here to offer solutions, I came here originally to respond to SJ 's post. I did not feel it was fair to SJ to respond to him on the Registry site so I came here to take my lumps (if there were any to take). It certainly was more welcoming than it could have been, I did not know what to expect.

I then decided to ask some questions about things I had wondered about based on Bruce's question to me long ago about what the Registry was to me. I have an open mind and love to hear other people's opinions. I don't think you'll find any intolerance in my posts here there or anywhere (sorry Dr. S!) or in my face to face conversations with anybody. I can also be swayed about beliefs and opinions because I do not know everything there is to know about any one topic.

About the suit, Innocent until proven guilty.

If I am ignored or unwelcome here I am fine with that and will go quietly; I did not come here to make trouble.

Lastly, what other people think of me is none of my business!

[MMW]

I have seen it with other makes. The guys who buy them lusted after them as kids but couldn't afford it so now they are middle aged & have money so cost isn't an issue (to a point). The prices rise but then the age group ages out & the prices come down. Not always but look at model A's, almost no one wants them anymore. 20-30 yrs. they were hot. The guys that want a stock 50s car are getting older & the market will chill out as there becomes not many to want/buy them. This will happen to the 356 drivers I think. The museum pcs. will most likely stay expensive.

Why not encourage replicas as a "foot in the door".

[MMW]

spg356 wrote "About the suit, Innocent until proven guilty."

I agree but why do they (trustees) keep stalling? If there is nothing to hide then they should be jumping over fences to prove Steve is a whacko as they claim. Every time the judge rules in Steve's favor they appeal. I think they have lost three appeals now? The whole "privacy issue" is a moot point when they started talking about "renting out" the membership list. Steve also agreed to take that that off the table at one point.

I am not accusing them of anything. It just doesn't look good in my eyes when someone doesn't want any facts to come out. Years ago the R had so much money that they had to spend it down. Then they needed money so dues go up. Blame it on Steve & the lawsuit. When the trustees were asked what it all cost? Anyone got the numbers?

[Phil Planck]

Joel
Regarding uncivil, telling Sebastion he can now be ignored is.
IMO the same as someone on the R not to let the door knob hit you on the way out. Maybe rude is a better term.
Phil

[356JAGER]

Phil,
No one told him to leave. I only said that I will now ignore him on this topic as he admits he has no ideas or solutions. Hardly 'don't
let the door hit you in the ass on the way out', as offered by one of
the Registry's trustees. Always glad to hear positive suggestions from
anyone who has one to offer, which isn't what Sebastian came here for
by his own admission. The intent is to provoke some sort of response that they can then refer to as 'rude' or 'uncivil', even when it's nothing of the sort. To be guilty of something you simply have to do it. Proving it in legal terms is what the suit is about.
Joel

[S.J.Szabo]

allI would like to know just what could inspire such loyalty to Those who knowingly continue to maintain a relationship that contravenes such important regulations. Really, do you think this demonstrates responsible leadership?

[Carrera_The_Kid]

Joel
Regarding uncivil, telling Sebastion he can now be ignored is.
IMO the same as someone on the R not to let the door knob hit you on the way out. Maybe rude is a better term.
Phil

+1

[Mycar]

Sebastian,
You say 'I don't have a problem with the operation of the Registry'.
The club is operating contrary to Ohio and Federal regulations that
govern a non profit club. You should have a problem with it, but at
least we know you didn't come here to offer solutions. Thanks for your
candor. You can now be ignored.
Best
Joel

What a remarkably rude thing to type.

And then you have the duplicity to sign off 'Best'

Joel, wasn't it you that made the grand announcement that you would be withdrawing from this discussion here on the forum ?

What happened to that ?

Edit. Mike Ruddy

[Jack Staggs]

Joel
Regarding uncivil, telling Sebastion he can now be ignored is.
IMO the same as someone on the R not to let the door knob hit you on the way out. Maybe rude is a better term.
Phil

+1

I agree. It has been stated repeatedly on this very thread about how completely unacceptable it is when someone is ignored, or told to be ignored, on the Registry forum. Folks on both sites wonder why more people don't get involved in the discussion. I see little difference between the "tag team" tactics on either side. How discouraging.

[356JAGER]

Interesting how many of you now come forward to 'participate' in criticizing but have yet to offer your voices in offering solutions.
Didn't notice any of you making the same criticisms of the truly offensive posts on the R site.
You call me 'rude', I call it 'to the point'. You seem to be a thin
skinned lot.

[Jack Staggs]

Interesting how many of you now come forward to 'participate' in criticizing but have yet to offer your voices in offering solutions.
Didn't notice any of you making the same criticisms of the truly offensive posts on the R site.
You call me 'rude', I call it 'to the point'. You seem to be a thin
skinned lot.

But this isn't the Registry. And I thought that 'the point' was to do it differently here.

[Carrera GT]

Joel
Regarding uncivil, telling Sebastion he can now be ignored is.
IMO the same as someone on the R not to let the door knob hit you on the way out. Maybe rude is a better term.
Phil

+1

I agree. It has been stated repeatedly on this very thread about how completely unacceptable it is when someone is ignored, or told to be ignored, on the Registry forum. Folks on both sites wonder why more people don't get involved in the discussion. I see little difference between the "tag team" tactics on either side. How discouraging.

Jack & Others,

What I see occurring is there are some interested Reg. article writers and members now wanting to understand the philosophy here, but can't seem to comprehend (or are afraid to admit it).

However, if these same writer-members were to have an epiphany "to finally get it" ...as to understanding the multiple Ohio Court Judge rulings - that basically says the 356 Reg. Trustees can't have their cake and eat it too - then, and only then, will there be common ground for constructive discussion.

Without that understanding, it will cause some here to want to ignore them - and that's their right to do so. However, it doesn't mean they are arrogantly being shown the door and not to come back. A much different approach to me.

-Michael Doyle-

[Jack Staggs]

Michael,
I appreciate what you have to say. Ignoring is a choice we have. I'm sure we have all done it, but to STATE to someone that you will be ignoring them is a different thing altogether. In regards to your comment about those that "finally get it", there have been instances on this thread where someone embraces a "new" (to them) ideology and have been chastised for their prior position. How does that work?
Respectfully,
Jack Staggs