Porsche 356 Registry Litigation: Update?

[Carrera GT]

"There was a lot of information given at the meeting that I wish the Trustees would post here but they are under attorney's instructions to keep quiet." from Cliff Murray

Say there Clever Cliff, how do those guys 'give the information ' at the open meeting' and follow the attorney's instructions to 'keep quiet' ?
Even you should be able to discern the huge disconnect between those two statements. Then again, maybe not.

Perhaps it was CJ "Cliff" Murray who was asked to "keep quiet"...he would certainly be better off for it, as whatever he says is quite meaningless. He has no authority to speak for the 356 Registry Trustees, nor the Registry membership. From my understanding, that is the role position of the club president, not Mr. Murray.

Michael Doyle

[Steve Heinrichs]

All,

I am pleased that many more 356 folks are understanding what is happening as to the litigation---

It is not about members' data or car data.

It is about access to financial and other records as allowed by law.

And, it is about defamation and personal activities.

Steve Heinrichs

[Steve Heinrichs]

All,

I wanted to report back to you that my offers as to mediation and more have been met with silence. Of course, this is no different than as it relates to previous attempts.

So, the litigation will continue and, my guess is that the Registry will appeal to the Ohio Supreme Court before October 24. If you are a Registry member, it should now be clear to you what this is all about (see prior post) and how the Registry is managed.

Steve Heinrichs

[Wiggy]

All,

Having checked out of the 356 hobby all together, I do pass by from time-to-time to check in on the status of this matter. Its good to see that the good fight is still on-going - its a worthy cause.

Also interesting to see the Cliff Clavin is still running off with his big mouth about things he knows nothing about. He's a buffoon.

Keep up the good work.

[jstenner]

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[Steve Heinrichs]

Kevin,

I certainly understand given how you were treated. I hope, notwithstanding that you have moved on and that I wish you well with the new wheels----I hope you will stick around here and watch. The Registry will get improved and will return to respecting members, especially those like yourself, who did much volunteer work.

Steve Heinrichs

[William Crowell]

A couple of thoughts:

- Steve Heinrichs wrote: "The Registry will...return to respecting members"

Have you ever noticed how people who have no apparent reason for feeling superior to others are often the most condescending and disrespectful? It must be one of life's great ironies.

-Did you ever check out the total cost of attending a Registry Holiday? $Thousands$ !! What can they be thinking? What a perfect way to drive a wedge into a club membership. "If you aren't rich enough to attend our Registry Holiday, then you just don't measure up, so get lost! If I ran a club like the Registry, I would be absolutely ASHAMED to invite the membership to such a costly gathering.

[Pat]

My first and only attempt to attend a holiday left a sour taste in my mouth! I was made to feel like an outsider because I had not pre registered (didn't know I needed to). It was at the ECH in Williamsburg. Since I was in Williamsburg for parents weekend at William and Mary and couldn't participate officially or unofficially in any of the events, I just went to the concours in Yorktown and had a good time. Don't think I will attempt another ECH.

[Bill Sampson]

"If you aren't rich enough to attend our Registry Holiday, then you just don't measure up, so get lost! If I ran a club like the Registry, I would be absolutely ASHAMED to invite the membership to such a costly gathering.

Bill:

I agree completely. Come to a woodie show sometime and see the difference. No, we cannot change hotel prices, but, everything else is pretty cheap and the entry is free for everybody including car owners. I GUARANTEE no snootiness. Ever. March 7-9, 2014 in Visalia and June 20-22, 2014 in Santa Cruz are the ones closest to you. We love our 64 Coupe, but, the woodie people do it MUCH better at their shows and there is no B.S. about where the money goes or what the board does. Everything is in the open.

You can probably buy a decent woodie now for the cost of only 2 or 3 full Campy carbon bikes.



Bill

[bbspdstr]

Bill, I saw on TV last night a burgundy woodie that was slowly passing in a great low shot.....but it was San Diego and Monday night football, not your Malibu.

As for the Registry Holiday criticism preceding, allow me to say that in the beginning, it was as inexpensive as any 'weekend away.' The first I helped to organize in 1980 was a 'be there or be square' type of event much like the recent un-Holidays in Helen, GA. No way to get people to know anything about the happenings in Valley Forge, PA other than through the newsletter Jerry Keyser put out. No contract, no insurance, no trustee 'oversight,' no 'pro forma budget submission,' no big hoopla, just fun.

Below is a shot from the Concours. The black wreck is 84255, eventually my race car. In the popular "Worst in Show" class, it came in second to the SAAB 96 to it's left. You can see our crack team of judges looking it over. I believe an old Corvair came in third. We took ourselves far less seriously back then.

We had a showing of "Made by Hand" on 16mm film brought by Walt Woodhead and we were kept entertained all night by wandering musicians representing the volunteer fireman's convention that shared the hotel with us. Fizzies in the hotel fountain n'all.

The thing is, if the Registry survives the cage fight it's in now, anyone can host a gathering of their own design. Small, big, high or low end....put the word out "and they will come." Local club gatherings are a good alternative, too. ANYTHING is fine, so organize something you envision and give it a whirl...you'll be surprised what that means to other 356ers.

[Carrera GT]

-MD-

[William Crowell]

It seems obvious that the Registry doesn't even want non-binding mediation because their position is indefensible.

Steve, I would be careful about going to binding arbitration if I were you. I have had many experiences with binding arbitration and I believe that, at least in my home state of California, it is rather corrupt. Arbitrators here often tend to rule not on the merits, but instead in favor of the party whose attorneys the arbitrator believes will be able to refer him more cases in the future.

Even if a judge in a real court incorrectly rules against you, you will still win on appeal if you point out the legal and logical fallacies of the trial judge's ruling in your findings of fact and conclusions of law. Therefore IMHO real judges are much more likely to follow the law because they know that if they don't, they can be effectively contradicted by the Findings and Conclusions. Arbitrators are often a wild card and, due to the public policy of judicial deference to private arbitration, it is much more difficult to overturn their decisions than to have a trial judgment reversed on appeal.

[Steve Heinrichs]

Michael,

Thank you for posting as I was not able to do so today. My lawyer did agree that it was ok for me to post. It would not be appropriate, of course, for her to do so. So there is no Registry confusion--the letter is real and was sent today. I hope somehow that the Registry will find the courage to find a settlement.

Steve Heinrichs

[Steve Heinrichs]

William,

Thank you for your thoughtful post.

As to mediation and arbitration, the idea actually was to have it done not in the usual legal course but rather in an agreed upon way with people who understand our hobby. I take your points nonetheless.

In any event, that offer of mine has expired and we move on.

Steve Heinrichs

[bobforman]

William, I agree with your assessment of arbitrators (I used to refer to them as ar-biters') and their motives. My involvement with them was primarily labor-based. We used to prejudge them based upon who their latest decisions benefitted. If they had just ruled for an employer, or perhaps a series of decisions for employers, we were (justifiably) fearful that they were about to swing toward the union thereby balancing their act so they would not be eschewed by labor organizations. This is in spite of the merits of the case. I guess this is all moot at this point.