Abarth Carrera GTL

[Porschinelle]

As you may see Lutz Montowski, Mustang 66 and Paolo who is also on this forum all agree that the blue Abarth Carrera is a fake.
As you may have read Lutz that I consider as being one of the best Porsche 904 and Abarth Carrera GTL historian state that I did a mistake stating that Robert Buchet second Abarth Carrera 1006 was also a Strahle car as 1002 was
I completely agree with him as indeed I knew perfectly that 1006 was bought new by Pierre Marx who sold it to Robert Buchet to rep)lace 1002 he crash in 1962
I am proud to have a quite good memory and sometimes don't take the time to verify everything I wrote, and you see the result
Indeed I confused 1006 and 1016 the car that Strahle bought to replace 1002 after he sold it to Robert Buchet
Why the confusion ?
May be I had in memory that famous pic showing Paul Strahle and Robert Buchet with 1016 at the start of the 1962 Tour de Corse

In the same way I read back the totality of the Abarth topic and discover another stupid mistake I did 4 years ago



Since my recent post on Paul Ernst Strahle race careeer, you all know that the plates WN V 1/WN V 2 and WN V 3 never were Factory plates but Paul Ernst own plates

[Porschinelle]

Hello everybody

I have been away travelling through Europe for business these last past ten days and did not had time to share with you
Back home to day
The discussion I share with you two weeks ago about the Abarth Carrera fake has continued on the autodiva forum bad=sed on what I wrote here

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Interesting Paolo, knowing Gerard I'm sure he is researching this even further.
~Vance

[Paolo]

Porschinelle,
You have unknowingly perpetuated the Motto and Viarengo & Filipponi myths related to the GTL story. Motto took no 'unplanned' holiday from his workshop and did not abscond with deposit money from Abarth. My interviews with Francesco Motto, son of Rocco Motto, and office manager of Carrozzeria Motto before, during and after the 1959-1960-1961 period of the GTL's construction, confirmed that Rocco Motto rarely took any holidays away from his workshop and never stole any money from anyone. Francesco Motto had never heard of this 'story' about his father and told me there is absolutely no truth to any of it. He went on to confirm that Carrozzeria Rocco Motto made all 20 GTL bodies. Also, the 'story' about Viarengo and Filipponi constructing 17 of the GTL bodies has no basis in fact and is completely untrue. Why? Because Carrozzeria Viarengo & Filipponi ceased to exist in 1924 !! This part of the 'Speedster' magazine story is even worse than the author's 'creation' of a 1002 'history' after we all know the original 1002 was completely destroyed, scrapped and now no longer existed after 1962-1963 period. The author of the Motto 'story' indirectly accuses Rocco Motto of theft and assigns credit for the so called remaining 17 GTL bodies to a carrozzeria that ceased to exist before World War II. The Speedster magazine GTL story is an outrage because it slanders Rocco Motto's reputation as an honest man and reflects badly on his talents as a coachbuilder, all the while perpetuating the Viarengo & Filipponi myth. I never cease to be astounded by the carelessness and lack of fact-checking by so-called magazine journalists who continue to get their stories published by absentee editors. If you feel strongly about this issue then write the editor-in-chief of Speedster magazine to express your concerns. His e-mail address is on the masthead of the magazine.

[Porschinelle]

To conclude I just realise that I had writen something completely wrong : At the Le Mans 1961 Robert Buchet shared his 1002 with Pierre Monneret not Guy Ligier
Sorry

[Porschinelle]

Some more pics of 1002

[Porschinelle]

This article start with the history of the Abarth Carrera GTL and explain why you all know if you had read this topic, ie why in 1959 Ferry Porsche ask Carlo Abarth to develop a race car for him
In this part their is no major mistakes and I even have learn something I did not know ie that Carlo Abarth gave the realisation of the 3 first cars to a coachbuilder named Motto and that after built these 3 Cars, Motto very happy with the big cheque he received from Abarth, left for a long holyday, in oder to not delay too much the delivery of the 17 remaining cars, Carlo Abarth move the realisation to another coachbuilder named Viarengo and Filliponi.
Were I desagree totally is when the author of this article, who apparently write with the benediction of the owner, start to say that this car is really 1002
It is even written that after the photos illstrating the article were taken the owner had given the car to Andy Prill in England to make it look exactly as 1002 was in 1961/1962
All the major Porsche historians admitt that 1002 has been totally destroyed
Their major argument being that Robert Buchet the owner of 1002 in 1962 was running a major Porsche garage and would have repair the car it if was reapparable
Instead of that Robert bought 1006 to Paul Ernst Strahle in order to continue to race
Now if Mustang 66 read this post I would really appreciate his comments
The same for Drdenzel who know a lot about Abarth

[Porschinelle]

This month a French bi-montly magazine named "Speedster" publish a long and detailed article on this same fake car

[Porschinelle]

I f you have open the link you have read the arguments of Lutz Montowski and Mustang 66 prooving that the Fiskens car was nothing than a fake

back plate light different
stop lights different
back lid louvers not at the same height
Fiskens car lid with rivets never seen on any other Abarth carrera




I have also find an article publish in 2016 by liebe zu ihm "love for porsche"
in which they also emit some doubts about this car

[Porschinelle]

You may find the original discussion on pages 16 17 and 18 of this same topic
As you may see at the end of the discussion Steve, Mustang 66 and my self came to the conclusion was neither 1002 or 1012 but a real fake
Mustang 66 is one of the very active guys with Lutz Montowski of the abarth carrera topic on the French autodiva forum
I am sure you will all love this very well documented forum but unfortunately it is in French
Anyway you may have a look to this forum by clicking the following link

www.autodiva.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=990&start=640

[Porschinelle]

This Abarth was painted in French blue with a french flag banner and race number 37 ie a replica of the abarth Carrera 1002 driven by Robert Buchet and Guy Ligier during the 1961 Le Mans 24 hours race

I had the opportunity to access the Fiskens stand and to discuss with one of the guy present on this stand who told me that this car was coming from the US and had recently been bought by a reknown French cook (there are many in France) who wanted to stay anonymous
I was also said that this car was not for sale but any serious offer will be considered
Following that first photo started on this site a discussion in which Steve (who was still alive then) and another french guy under the pseudo "Mustang 66" interfer

[Porschinelle]

The recent photos of a bright new replica of an abarth carrera GTL posted by Tham in the hot rod, modified, custom, outlaw topic being completed in Thailand
(Indeed these photos should have been posted in the topic : "how about some interesting replica" as this car although it is beautiful is nothing else than a replica



have pushed me to publish quicker than I had the intention the following :

One year and 8 months ago I post in this same Abarth topic a pic I took on the Fiskens (a famous English historical car broker) stand at the 2016 Paris Retromobile carshow

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Le Mans 1962

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[Drdenzel]

Comments on photo #38082, page 20, showing engine compartment of silver car with blue stipes.

This is probably Abarth Carrera 1003. I saw this car at an early Porsche Club of America Parade, probably the one in Sun Valley, Idaho in 1971. John Bond Jr. owned the car at the time, it was painted silver with blue stripes as shown in the photo, and had a similarly detailed engine. John had towed the car to the Parade all the way from California with his Volvo P1800 station wagon. This was the small two-door station wagon based on Volvo's P1800 coupe sports car. It was loaded with his wife, baby, baby supplies, concours supplies, and spare parts for the car! John was still listed as the owner in the 1983 issue of the Stephen Dean/Greg Young Four-Cam Registry, but the car might have gone to a new owner by that time. (John was the son of John Bond Sr., founder of Road and Track magazine.)
Jim Perrin