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Plus, Stirling's car had a big yellow hand painted identifier ball painted (mostly) on the hood. I was able to tell Warren about the color after I unearthed a color pic in an old copy of the great Automobile Year annual. He promptly had a litho he had commissioned from Randy Owens revised to suit...
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Richard Roth
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Hi Alan thank you but i am not convinced since Sebring 25 Mar 61 the book shows 044 in the USA. Also the 1000k Nurburing 28 May 1961 shows 041 with Moss the pilot presumably the same car that he drove at the Targa. Maybe a "practice car" was the one actually entered in the 61 Targa and 041 was not available for the Targa in 61. The book does not show how 044 came into possession of Holbert subsequent to 61 Targa as postulated by the 2015 auction write up.
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Hi Jacques,
If you check out the info on page 14 of the Carrera book comments topic, I also show photos of the cars Moss drove in the '61 Targa and '61 Nurburgring. -044 in the Targa has the built in driving lights that were added for LeMans, and -041 in the Nurburgring does not. I also have copies of the factory Nurburgring setup sheets somewhere if you would like me to dig them out. As far as other possibilities there were only four cars with the narrow oil cooler opening, -041, -042, -043 and -044.
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Hi Alan
so it does looks like 041 was not at the 61 Targa but how could Steve show 044 at VIR the same day? and what happened to 042 after the 60 Le mans?
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Hi Jacques,
dug out the factory setup sheets that I have for the '61 Targa (4/30/61) and for the '61 Nurburgring (5/28/61).
Factory spyders in the Targa were -043 (start no. 132 w/ Herrmann/Barth), -044 (start no. 136 w/ Moss/Hill), and -047 (start no. 134 w/
Bonnier/Gurney). -044 and -047 had 2-litre motors and -043 had a 1700.
Factory spyders in the Nurburgring were -041 (start no. 20 w/ Moss/Hill), -044 (start no. 23 Barth/Herrmann) and -047 (start no. 21 w/ Bonnier/Gurney). All had 1700 engines.
Don't have any info on -042 but have a vague recollection that it was being used as a hillclimb car.
As far as the Holbert car could it have been a different car? photos would easily show if it was a car other than -042, -043, or -044 as they are distinctive from other RS-60's, due to the built in driving lights and narrow oil cooler opening. Trivia question: what Porsche had a General Motors part in 1960, and what was it? Answer: Factory RS-60's which had an oil cooler made by the Harrison division of GM.Comment
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Hi Jacques
Hi Alan
Hi Rickie
Very interesting discussion
I would have been delighted to help you Jacques but I am just a fan of Porsche spyders not an expert neither in 550 or 718
The only thing I may do is confirm what Alan said about the 1961 Targa Florio
Porsche enter 3 off 718 RS 61
Car race number 132 718 RS 61-043 fitted with a 1.7 engine and driven by the team Hans Hermann/Edgar Barth
Car race number 134 718 RS 61-047 fitted with a 2.0 L engine and driven by the team Jo Bonnier/Dan Gurney
Car race number 135 718 RS 61-044 fitted with a 2.0 L engine and driven by Stirling Moss/Graham Hill
To show you as I am a beotian in 718 could some of you explain me why -043 and -044 raced in the 1960 Targa as RS 60 ?
Is there any technical difference between RS 60 and RS 61 ?
Anyway the Targa Florio is very well documented here in Europe as you may see there after
First to confirm Rickie assertion Stirling Moss car with the big yellow painting
This pic was taken during the practice which explain Sirling waving his hand to say hello to the poor Abarth Carrera race number 96 driven by Herbert Linge/Huschke von HansteinComment
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The 45th Targa Florio was raced April 30h 1961
Bonnier/Gurney passing the finish line
As you may see in he below results list the winner was the Dino Ferrari 3.0 L driven by Olivier Gendebien/Wolfgang von Trips
Bonnier/Gurney on 718-O47 finish 2nd overall
Hans Hermann/Edgar Barth finish 3rd
Stirling Moss/Graham Hill on 718-044 lead most of the race but broke a transmission during the last lap
After the race Stirling Moss/Graham Hill were declared by the journalists "moral" winner but as said Sirling a moral victory is nothing compare to a simple victoryComment
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Now some of the pics I have collected
To sart with Moss/Hill 044
Graham Hill at the wheel
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Stirling Moss off the pit lane
Moss in action
Moss njumping out of the car during a refueling
Moss again
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Bonnier/Gurney -047 the car who finish 2nd overall
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Hans Hermann/Edgar Barth who finish 3rd overall with -043 with the small 1.7 L engine
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Two interesting period correct videos
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKw8WZDXbz0Comment
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN1UgirXKYYComment
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To complete the story Porsche had two off Abarth Carrera GT with 1.6 L engine in that race
Car race number 92 driven by Paul Ernst Strahle/Pucci finish 6h overall
Car race number 96 driven by HComment
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Car race number 96 driven nby Herbert Linge/Huschke von Hanstein, who was damaged during the pracice but repaiered for the race finish 7th
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