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[Steve Heinrichs]

Adam,

Please give me a break.

Do you really think that Wes' comment about the process is effectively just starting is accurate? And, do you really think that an instruction set is a substitute for two facts:

1) The Appeals court denied the Registry's motion as to discovery and that the next step is to comply or go to the Ohio Supreme Court.

2) Each Trustee and Officer hasbeen sued in federal court with respect to very serious matters.

Steve Heinrichs

[admin]

Steve-
I am not making a comment on whether or not Wes answered the question to Pat's satisfaction, I am commenting on what he said and what you said he said, which were different.

[bbspdstr]

Guys, what Wes isn't about to do is chew through his restraints. What he didn't say is that to a non-member, that litigation information is not available unless shown, linked or otherwise discussed here on Justin's site...and that the real shame is that club business is not being discussed on the club's site, even if that direct discussion would be "members only."

-Bruce

[Carrera GT]

Steve-
That's actually not what Wes said.

He said,
"As I suggested previously (and as stated by the Registry very early in the lawsuit game),

"Go to the top of the first page and click on "News & Events". Topic 4 will take you to the court system in Ohio and gives you instructions for a "lawsuit update"."

Wes"

He gives instructions on how to go to the Ohio Courts system website through the Registry site to read up on the latest in the lawsuit.
Mis-information is one of the big problems in this whole thing, we all need to make sure we are providing accurate information about what someone else is saying or not saying.

http://www.porsche356registry.org/

Adam,

So, on the Registry's web-site - I think you are saying that a member can find an easy link and locate (as you / and Wes suggest) a page showing that on September 24, 2013 the Court of Appeals of Ohio issued a Judgement Entry against the 356 Registry, Inc. - in favor of R. Stephen Heinrichs ?

Thanks.

Michael Doyle

ps: It seems the odd Topic subject title being discussed there as well - ie. "356 Vin" ...what has that got to do with "real" 356 Registry business? Maybe it's just (a simple oversight) - perhaps a mistake that it's being hidden?

Adam: in terms of transparency...maybe you could re-title the Topic there and get a clear-open discussion started?

http://www.porsche356registry.org/356talk/1/34239.html?start=30

[Steve Heinrichs]

Also, a member of the Registry could post links to both lawsuits on the Registry Forum. Those links can be found on the Registry Litigation thread on this Forum. It is public information and seems to me that current members and others should have the information.

Steve Heinrichs

[356JAGER]

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[bbspdstr]

Refreshing news!

This is Radio Free Registry and not just for the lawsuit, so please let me break some better news.
Today's mail included a small check to my business from the organizers of the Southern 356 Drive (Helen, GA) event.
They had previously sent a nice box of the items all attendees received and I was most surprised by that, as I could not attend but donated a small sponsorship amount earmarked for the bluegrass music group.
The 'gang of three' and friends did their accounting, found they had 'extra' money left over and prorated a percentage to each ('cash') sponsor! A BIG second surprise, but this is how it's supposed to be done! Timely, honestly, openly...even a 'thank you' note offering to let those who gave sponsorship see their 'books.'
Impressive!!!
So, a small group of 356 enthusiasts hosted a popular, well run event with no Registry money or name attached to it and I'm telling whoever is reading this on a free non-P-named enthusiast site about it. Hummm....it's about the cars and the people involved, regardless of a car brand's name being Intellectual Property or name of a 'club' for that type of old old German car? Something to be learned, huh? We may be seeing what 'starting over' looks like.

[admin]

Bruce, please do us all a favor and ask a very specific question directly to the organizers of this fine event. Please ask them if there was absolutely no involvement, contribution, or even purchase of event liability insurance from the Porsche 356 Registry. I think you might discover that The Registry was indeed involved, but never credited (accidental or other) concerning their involvement and support. When you get the response, please post it here for all to understand, including the source of the response. I think you might be surprised.

[Steve Heinrichs]

Jerry,

So, I take it you will now have the balls to post the links on the R Forum regarding the lawsuits?

Steve Heinrichs

ps--cut the robert Bosch crap

[356JAGER]

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[S.J.Szabo]

Mr.Henning (Still hiding behind that Bosch shtick? Still can't speak in public without hiding your face? Try integrity; then there's nothing to be afraid of... just a suggestion)

I think Mr.Baker's point was that it was a great, pretension-free event, organized by Members, for Members, who reveled in the camaraderie and face-to-face fellowship of the mutual appreciation and enjoyment of 356s, and which was conducted with honesty, respect, and genuine openness.

What about that sounds like a Registry event?

Regardless of the Ruling Circle's best attempts to horn in (and hog credit... are you the Piper, come to collect the credit the Trustmes crave to add whitewash to Their well-deserved shabby image?), the event's simple purity of purpose and lack of powerplay and guile marks it as a shining example of what the Registry should have been about all these years.

[S.J.Szabo]

Mr.Capt.Unobtanium:

Once again, I fear you miss the point.

Yes, Mr.Bender pointed (despite restraints) correctly to the "official" path to find the Ohio Court site.

But the point is that this is just one more strategy of obfuscation and diversion. While intended to demonstrate "openness", it is in fact a cheesy ploy that counts on the idea that the vast majority of Members will not bother to wade thru the intimidating pile of legal documents, let alone draw the correct conclusions regarding their contents, on their own.

What won't be found on the Members Only site is any accurate summary of events, nor the freedom to discuss those events with other Members, nor the opportunity to dialog directly and openly with the Ruling Circle about the many important issues that pertain thereto.

While the Members Only portion has been way too long in coming, it is sadly conducted with the same censorship, bias, and taboos that are the hallmark of the rest of the forum, thus remaining pointless.

Just another show of reform without any of the benefits; another paper mache carrot on a long, long shtick. Another Ruling Circle Production intended to distract you from the Truth.

If it was more cunning or artful, it might be amusing to find the Big Hook in Their many elitist machinations; as it is, it's just another clumsy, transparently bore-ass scam in a long, long history of bore-ass scams.

[bbspdstr]

Jerry, you wrote: "Bruce, please do us all a favor and ask a very specific question directly to the organizers of this fine event. Please ask them if there was absolutely no involvement, contribution, or even purchase of event liability insurance from the Porsche 356 Registry. I think you might discover that The Registry was indeed involved, but never credited (accidental or other) concerning their involvement and support. When you get the response, please post it here for all to understand, including the source of the response. I think you might be surprised."

Well, your answer came to me from an organizer without asking. George, not the George you live near and with whom I used to have regular friendly conversations, but the one who solicited the sponsorship from me for both events in Helen, GA, provided the following:



Jerry, did you attend the Helen event this time around? I heard that George Dunn was present. I heard elsewhere that he was proselytizing (calmly and sincerely) the trustees' position to R-members present as to what else is going on that is not dealt with on the R-site Forum or in R-print, but here. While not a Registry event where he was lobbying Registry members, perhaps that's the overlap or "involvement" to which you refer?

The Gang of Three have all helped the Registry (or tried to) over the years, so a separation of their event from a Registry event may be blurry. I have helped the Registry throughout my 38 year membership, but things have changed and need to change back...thus my comment about "the look of starting over" from events like the two Helen winners. I think we 356ers can look forward to a lot of change...meanwhile, since it's football season, you can be on the Status Quo sidelines and I can be on the Change Needed sidelines, cheering our teams on while their political football is kicked or involved in a trick play of some sort. How do feel about mandatory review by officials when one side steps out of bounds.....but I digress (as usual).

It would behoove you and a few others to cover your mouths if you are going to selectively cover your eyes and ears to what's going on in OUR club. If, with regard to R-leadership, you see no evil, hear no evil...then speaking evil of others should be avoided..... at least until the dust settles. Ever hear about three sides to every story?


Best regards from yet another tall man,
-Bruce

[admin]

Thank you, Bruce, for researching and clarifying this misunderstanding.
The specific part of your original post that really bothered me was:

"So, a small group of 356 enthusiasts hosted a popular, well run event with no Registry money or name attached to it . . . "

To me this inferred a very strong statement against the Registry, and indicated that there was no connection or assistance to the event from The Registry. George Bryan's clarification has indeed indicated otherwise.

I was not speaking evil of you or the event - I was merely attempting to correct the facts which were perhaps unintentionally distorted, that placed a poor light on the Registry in the face of viewers of this forum.

I do not challenge the Southern 356 Drive Event. It was a finely organized event, vey successful, very popular, put on by fine folks, and was an appropriately laid-back environment. More events of this caliber should be organized.

Regarding "proselytizing" . . . I am sure some information exchanges were casually made in order to clarify certain parties' positions and to give a balanced view, in light that these clarifications should not and would not be discussed on a public forum while litigation is ongoing. I am sure, however, that no "proselytizing" or lighthearted campaigning occurred from any other possible future "New Registry" Trustee candidates or their supporters.

Bruce, I was not attacking you, sorry you felt it was, but I felt that mis-information, or conspicuous lack of correct details, were presented, and that due to the current controversial events occurring, that it would be best to attempt to present correct factual information for all to consider. It is still amazing to me that (time and time again) on this forum thread, and the similar threads here, when anyone attempts to correct misinformation or offer information that is not the popular opinion of the majority of posters to this thread, they immediately get ATTACKED, ie "Cyberbullied", and not allowing both sides of the situation to be presented civilly. Sad state of affairs . . .

It is also amazing and amusing to me that certain posters to this site are so pre-occupied and threatened by the use of a mysterious and obviously fabricated username. I wouldn't dare give them the satisfaction of a response to their taunts - it would only tend to fuel their fury and egos, and produce more cyberbulling.

[356JAGER]

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