Dad's old '66

[roy mawbey]

Justin, looks nice patina to me!!My last spray I did 29 years ago. Its got patina too. Or that's what I call it and am resigned to accepting that because I am not doing it all again.

Roy

[JTR70]

Thanks Roy, I do sleep better now that know its in a safe place.

Thank you Steve! Yeah, I don't what the future holds either but for now at least it can sit here for a spell.


This paint job is officially 40 years old as of today (april 201 and out of curiosity I sanded and polished this area just to see how well this old finish would come back.

It came back really nice with a deep rich shine and looked just liked I remembered it as a kid. I know it will oxidize right back so I'm think about maybe some sort of petroleum treatment to help preserve the shine? We'll see, anyway back to my real priorities.

Thanks again you guys!
Justin

[Steve]

Justin:

Great news! You know I have been telling you to keep the car, I'm glad that for now at least you have a spot for it. Time will tell, opportunities will present themselves, someday I predict you will be very glad you still have the old '66 around.

Steve

[roy mawbey]

The car is safe where you have it. It has patina and it will survive now and you will so pleased in the future its there to look at.

Well done finding the car a place!!!

Roy

[JTR70]

Very true Roy, life certainly turns on a dime. If that had happened none of us would have been the wiser.

3/25/18

At the moment his old car is now safely tucked away in the back of my shop; out of eliments and out from under that abandond old chicken coop. I rest alot easier now. Not sure what the future holds but for the time being I'm going to try and hang onto it. Some ideas of a sympathic restoration do come to mind which would include a new rubber seal kit, interior, flush the tank and the brake system (suspension bushings too). A motor rebuild for sure then just drive the thing again. My 57 coupe is still the priority so its all just passing thoughts for now but its at least safely mothballed back here.
Justin

[roy mawbey]

Hey Justin, I am guessing you were not around in 1966 when they obviously had then problems with the heat exchangers. So maybe another 2 hours driving the 911 might have meant no you and no ABCGT

Makes you think eh !

Roy

[JTR70]

Thank you Steve and Thank you Henk! I really appreciate your help with the hand writing and ownership history on that old record. I thought it was Judd too Steve but I was second guessing myself as it looked like the "d" might have a curl in it and was morphing into an "e" the more I stared but I think you're right. Henk thanks again for your help with that old street address and for trying to identify the original Purchaser. Grateful for the help!

Roy, thanks for sifting through this old story of mine. Everything is just fine and thanks for asking! I was exploring some finance options utilizing this car but recently few other things are in the works so I am doing all that I can to try and hold onto it just a little while longer. Yes, its very much like the description you give of your fathers old car. Bone dry and full of blow-sand = freeze dried.

8/14/17
I do have some additional history in regards to the Kardex. My father was just here for a visit so of course I couldn't wait to show him the copy of this old record with his name on it. He thought it was really cool and as he looked it over he regretted not safeguarding the purchase contract from the dealer when he bought it. Maybe it'll turn up but for now its lost to time.

I showed him how his name was linked to this last service record entry on July 11, 1966. I asked him, was this for an oil change or what? He had to think back for moment then he said, "oh, this is when your Mother and I were almost killed in this car". Porsche had problems with the heat exchangers on some of these early 911 exhaust systems potentially allowing carbon-monoxide to get into the cabin; this car was one of them. It happened while they where on a road trip in Northern California. I don't know how close to death they actually where were but both remember being violently ill that evening at the hotel. Anyway the factory had a recall and the kardex notes that visit for the installation of new heat exchangers.

Thanks for looking!
Justin

[roy mawbey]

Justin,

Just spent some time reading the account of your dads two 911 cars. I got a bit confused first of all arriving so late on the thread. Going back a few pages made it easier.
That was really interesting reading and your range of photographs so good. I really got an idea about the area you live in and the heat you probably have so much of the time. And in the same thoughts the lack of moisture ragarding rust. Its a sad story in way, but a sensible conclusion. It is good your dad is still around to know. Much more difficult in the future. We have been looking for my dads car a pre-war Austin eight tourer he restored to look as new in the early 60's. It ex army and saw service in Libya and was full of sand!

He too saw my brother sell it for something faster and understood.
Sure we think its still around to buy back but that's a pipe dream and we know it having looked everywhere. And like you, if it was now a wreck we would not have the time to finish it. But... tell me Justin on one of the inputs to your 911 thread you wondered if you had the time and resources to finish your 356 cars. You are around the age of my eldest boy I reckon. Everything is okay isn't it? You have years all being well to make the perfect job as you always try to do.

Roy

[dropshiptraders]

interested in the red 911, rusty tubs said to contact you via this post, can you email me your contact details please so we can discuss the car my email is classicandvintagecarlocators@yahoo.com thanks jude.

[Henk Vasmel]

I read Stielow. and Siesmayerstrasse in Frankfurt a/M. Googling that reveals a company but not at that address. Anyway it's 50 years ago.

[Steve]

Justin:
Having the kardex is pretty cool.I don't want to know who you have to kill to get one. I saw mine for the '65C at Rennsport III, but of course they wouldn't let me have it.

By the way, Judd is an old Mormon name.

I'm still trying to convince you to keep the car.
Steve

[JTR70]

7/1/17
Copy of the original Kardex for my Dad's car!

Ric at Rusty Tubs was able to pull some strings and got me a copy! An almost impossible thing to pull off these days so my sincerest thanks to him once again!

This car was completed on September 29th 1965 and sold new on October 3, 1965.

Unlike most Kardex I've seen this one had a lot service history written on it. I thought my father was the second owner but it seems Wolf Shielow(?) & Co. was the original purchaser. E.J. Judel(?) was the young Mormon kid who a purchased this car second hand. What was most interesting was finding my fathers name on this old record as the third owner out of Salt Lake City. Note the X's by Dad's and EJ's name; they seem to note who brought the car in for its final two services on this record.
Having the opportunity to get my hands on this old record was worth every penny.
Thanks for looking!
Justin

[JTR70]

Yeah electrical tape Steve , thats the way my father did things and it used to drive me crazy; which is probably the reason I get so obsessed with having things a certain way on my cars. Probably to a fault.

Agree, standard cams won't live long in a center lube tower. My aim is not get the '66 engine running but only to see that all of the original and correct components get back to the right engine before the targa was shipped. Original Targa drive train here with correct trans back on it with its correct cam towers, cams and chain boxes.

drivetrain installed for shipping. With the chassis so compromised I got concerned with the weight hanging off back here so the head assemblies where put up front.

The rest of the car was roughly assembled and packed with the all the original parts I could round up after being apart for 40 years.

Ready for a wrapping.

wrapped and ready

Loaded up

and on its way to the new owner. It was a bit sad to see it go after all these years but it requires a ton of work and I was never realistically going to ever get to it.

[Steve]

Justin:

In looking at some of the pictures I finally noticed that the electrical tape decos were replaced with 911S style decos at some point. Nice.

If you swap out the cam towers do you have everything you need for the swap? I think you will need the original center-lube cams, oil lines, their fittings, and the chain box covers, along with a block-off plate for the dual fuel pump.

The later cams cannot live in a center-lube tower, they need the oil line that runs down the top of the tower.

Steve

[JTR70]

Thanks for the education Steve. I completely missed that its a tiny little exhaust system for the heater; how cute. Have no idea what happened to the cover you described. Thats probably been MIA since the 70's. Thanks again for the help.
Justin

Pulling the drivetrain

Half-shafts and exhaust system dropped and just about ready to remove.

removal went relatively smoothly. Not having to lay on the ground made all the differrence.

20 years worth of blow sand accumulation to remove first.

Getting this trans swapped out for the original was one of the main priorities.


Motor now cleaned off enough to open the chain boxes so they and the cam towers can be swapped for the original and correct center lube units.
That next, Thanks for looking!
Justin